"Well, what's 100% killing you without question mean exactly? Does it mean piercing doctor protection, or does it mean they also can't be swapped or blocked or whatever?"
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
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[[I need to be working on a review and also got way too little sleep for the second day in a row so I may not do a lot of mafia today (as in real-life today); we'll see. Probably keeping up with the thread, though.]]
Blossomleaf
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[["Implying one-shot strongman because I have bullet-proof to ensure I can live one night but not if the Beast has a way bypass it entirely. and also it's how namo worded my card is important. because he said that I can pierce through whatever protection the beast has but that the beast can do the same to me as well. and that my kill shot can't be redirected from the beast which sounds like the same applies to it as well.
So hence why I'm asking town if they'd rather I just take a wild shot tonight before I possibly die in hopes that I pick the right target? Since if I pick the wrong person my kill shot won't work on anyone else / any other player who isn't the beast. or if I should try and assume i'll live and investigate 4 more ppl N4 in hopes that I can relay this info back to everyone on D5?"
Since during the night I have the option to either investigate or kill and Namo said: "If your kill action doesn't strike the beast, it will fail." and that "Every night you choose X players to search, or one target to kill."]]
"If nothing can stop the Beast killing you in the night including swapping etc., and the Beast knows exactly who you are, they'd have to be insane not to go for it. So yeah, you should assume you're probably dead tonight and take the shot. Better think pretty hard about who the Beast's likely to be first, though. Don't just shoot at random into the crowd you haven't inspected."
[[Okay, starting with a breakdown of some notable posts from Starlight, because idk what to do with her right now.
I also have no idea what you mean about doing little to scumhunt--I think after every summary post I make I give a breakdown of my thoughts about my findings in the summaries (because truthfully, I make them to help town but it also keeps me caught up, especially because I've been somewhat inactive in the recent phases for this game) and I ask overall questions, and poke who I want to hear from if my findings made me sus of them--have done that for Torchic because they're highest on my sus list, for Blossom as well when they were being weird about revealing their role, and I think (I'd have to go look again because I truthfully don't remember) I also went at Shini for their confusing ass reveal.
[[Interesting that you think giving out more information is beneficial, whereas Chibi thinks that keeping information hidden to maximize the amount of uncertainty is beneficial. I lean more towards Chibi's playstyle. While I agree that giving out information is helpful--and the main way the town can advance--I still think there are reasons to keep quiet, especially for stronger roles like watchers and doctors.]]
From what I've seen your play hasn't really reflected that, UNTIL somebody said everyone claim? Every time somebody has offered to reveal, or hinted at revealing, from what I've read and compiled her, you've p much said "You should do it, maybe!" If there WAS any hesitation (i.e. "if you feel comfortable", "what does everyone else think?", "do you think it will be beneficial?"), it felt extremely "i'm going through the motions of cautiously pushing people to claim so I have more information WITHOUT outwardly asking them to claim so it still looks like I'm playing safe and have town's best interest in mind" and not like you were actually hesitant whatsoever on them revealing. That's really feelsbad to me now that I've viewed all of your posts together.
So after all of this I'm no longer null of Starlight and feeling very very very suspicious of her now. If she's not scum, I feel like the way she's latched onto the TP thing makes me galaxybrain that she might be a TP and is tunneling the other potential TP's so her faction comes out on top??? Lightly prodding people who offer to claim to actually claim so she has more info for herself, while trying to seem Town in doing so???? Am I reading into all of this too hard? Probably. Nonetheless, I don't feel good about it at all.]]
Very smoke-blowy post about whether or not town should abstain or vote, never really comes to a conclusion either.
Abstains.
Poses some initial questions about strings, I found these thoughts valid actually.
Throwing initial sus at Sans.
More speculation about Bench getting Sans' vote power, among other things like Shini getting dread.
Kind of a big post, a lot happening here--I think this is the first time she mentions that there could be a TP, but I don't understand her logic coming to it, as it might pertain to Pano--this is a massive lobby, it's not that far off to assume there should be multiple deaths. One death a night would have this game going on for several weeks.
More on voting Sans, onboard with swapper theory, needs clarification.
Defends why they've been posting a lot and not offering too much new.
Hypothesis on TP Chibi, wants to prod Yellow and Seren for diamond ability switcheroo thing, more about strings, votes Bluwii.
More hypothesis on the diamond mark. Throws sus for people hopping off Bluwii wagon and onto Tetra wagon (think it was Yellow and uA). Wants Bench to say more about what they're planning due to confusion. Unsure about swapper now.
(ye was right) Throwing sus at Yellow and uA for moving onto Tetra bandwagon. Questions about what uA might have done.
Questioning swap, more thoughts on TP.
More speculation, not adding too much to this whole fiasco.
Not sure if this was flavor, it's hard to tell--seemed to agree with my outburst on Torchic's susness, and thinks Pano has been helpful so far
Prods Jackie for an inconsistency
Readlist, I think this is the only one they've made so far
More on supporting TP's
Honestly forgot why I marked this, I think this was just more prodding about something Free said.
Responding to questions about being asked about her thoughts in regard to TP theory
Questions Q's vote for uA
Thinks Sans bringing up other factions would be helpful if he were cultist
Thanking Inke for logical posts, I guess, speculation on Q
Suggestes that Blossom share her intel if she's ready.
Asks for some info on night actions, needs clarification on what happened to Bench
Now throwing sus on Pano for defending Bluwii. Iffy on Persephone due to previous experience. Thinks Shini and uA might have been in kahoots, Bluwii and uA maybe not. Unsure of Yellow. Votes Bluwii.
Now thinks Torchic is town-y-ish
I think Free pointed this out already but I'm pretty sure they did actually interact
Throwing sus at Blossom's claim I think, more speculation on strings and cults/TP, hypothesizes who could be in the TP.
Makes point about rules.
More sus on Pano
Thinks it's fine that Abra reveal.
Now not sus of Abra/Yellow because of reveal.
Speculation on Blossom's claim. Seems to softclaim their power(ish), and is okay with skipping the night phase.
Wants to skip the night phase, thinks losing info roles is worth it if it means preventing other kills (???????). Tunneling Pano hard, logic on Blossom's power doesn't make sense either because didn't Blossom say she was the only one who could kill the Beast, or did I imagine that???? I think somebody (Chibi maybe) pointed that out right after this post.
See above.
Okay but the day before you were convinced there was something off about her role, right????
I guess Starlight isn't the Beast
Pano cleared by Blossom's power, still sussing Pano.
Asks for more clarification from Bench's tracker claim.
Agreeing with the idea that I should softclaim (too little too late).
I also have no idea what you mean about doing little to scumhunt--I think after every summary post I make I give a breakdown of my thoughts about my findings in the summaries (because truthfully, I make them to help town but it also keeps me caught up, especially because I've been somewhat inactive in the recent phases for this game) and I ask overall questions, and poke who I want to hear from if my findings made me sus of them--have done that for Torchic because they're highest on my sus list, for Blossom as well when they were being weird about revealing their role, and I think (I'd have to go look again because I truthfully don't remember) I also went at Shini for their confusing ass reveal.
Okay this is odd to me because you've gone this whole game "yes yes if you have a role/info to reveal you should reveal it maybe possibly yes" but now that somebody is offering the idea that everyone roleclaim, that's where you draw the line. I know you said in a previous post:
[[Interesting that you think giving out more information is beneficial, whereas Chibi thinks that keeping information hidden to maximize the amount of uncertainty is beneficial. I lean more towards Chibi's playstyle. While I agree that giving out information is helpful--and the main way the town can advance--I still think there are reasons to keep quiet, especially for stronger roles like watchers and doctors.]]
From what I've seen your play hasn't really reflected that, UNTIL somebody said everyone claim? Every time somebody has offered to reveal, or hinted at revealing, from what I've read and compiled her, you've p much said "You should do it, maybe!" If there WAS any hesitation (i.e. "if you feel comfortable", "what does everyone else think?", "do you think it will be beneficial?"), it felt extremely "i'm going through the motions of cautiously pushing people to claim so I have more information WITHOUT outwardly asking them to claim so it still looks like I'm playing safe and have town's best interest in mind" and not like you were actually hesitant whatsoever on them revealing. That's really feelsbad to me now that I've viewed all of your posts together.
Didn't you say in THIS PHASE that you fully believe Blossom was innocent??????? Was that RP flavor??????
So after all of this I'm no longer null of Starlight and feeling very very very suspicious of her now. If she's not scum, I feel like the way she's latched onto the TP thing makes me galaxybrain that she might be a TP and is tunneling the other potential TP's so her faction comes out on top??? Lightly prodding people who offer to claim to actually claim so she has more info for herself, while trying to seem Town in doing so???? Am I reading into all of this too hard? Probably. Nonetheless, I don't feel good about it at all.]]
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[[ what are these things you think we have to look at and scrutinize? you say this, yet your self-admitted mess of a readlist consists purely of vibes that we have no way to resolve one way in the other in thread. none of your lines of questioning are leading us any closer to landing on scum. and i’m not blaming you or scolding you, i’m pointing it out because it’s precisely my point. if you actually believe we have plenty to discuss and that our scumhunting ability is perfectly fine as it is then our play needs to reflect that, which currently it doesn’t, or this argument holds no water. -q ]]
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[[ btw, i’m probably gonna be dead for the rest of the (real-world) day. if you really need me for something ping me bc i suspect i’m going to skim whatever posts i miss including quotes unless something happens which feels unlikely. -q ]]
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"Well that woulda been fuckin' nice to know ahead of time. You're bulletproof now too, and unblockable, and the beast is too? How many powers do you fuckin' have?"
"Huh, now what kind of a power is that? What would be the benefit of knowing how many people visited you each night? Do you have anything else to report from any of the other nights? Or were you left alone for the most part? Kinda wild that you only get a count. I wonder how that's helpful? For busting claims?"
"I do want to ask one question to the Froslass, though. Hey @ShiniGojira, can you give us a rundown of how you used your powers each night? I think it's pretty clear you haven't used your vigilante kill yet since we've only had one death each night. You say you healed the Mightyena on N1, what'd you do N2 and N3, then? Who'd you block and who'd you deflect to? I'm still hung up on the Stringer's actions behaving like they got the Kadabra's powers on N1, but that's not possible because the Kadabra said they targeted that scummy Meowth."
Ajia flipped through the rulebook she'd been given. "It says here that 'roles that end the game early if the player is eliminated' won't be in the game. So, there's no one trying to get shot or voted out, but other early game-enders are possible. That said, I find it kind of unlikely that the beast would just instantly win the game by killing Nanu? Especially if they have a strongman shot. I mean, how could we possibly stop them?"
[[I would have some serious questions for Namo if a single unavoidable kill would make us lose instantly.]]
Ajia shook her head. "There's no way that Laura was the killer since Puck blocked her on night 1. Plus, she would have been hastened on night 2, and then we would have had two deaths because all kills happen at the same time, even if one of the killers dies. I suppose the second kill could have been healed, or have hit a bulletproof... But still--the night 1 block is a pretty big problem with that."
"A bus driver could be scum, but not third party. Bus drivers cause chaos that can help their side and hinder the other side. Or the opposite. But they wouldn't really be able to do anything on their own. I mean, what would the win condition be...? Since we have strong evidence against Sidney being scum, I believe he's innocent."
Ajia gave Nanu a serious look. "If you're sure we can't protect you, then... you should definitely go for it. There's no reason not to, if your shot won't hurt the rest of us."
Ajia read through all of Odette's notes, humming to herself. "I think you're right. There's a lot of trying to bait claims from people while also trying not to look like it. By contrast, Princess's Guardian did suggest that it could be helpful for us to all claim, but she wasn't cagey about it at all--she just outright said it. Courtney seems to be really concerned with not looking like she's actually doing that."
"Also, I feel pretty good about Winona now. Her claim mostly just feels like a well-intentioned newbie. For a while, I was thinking Cresselia might have a 'godfather' ability, to contrast Darkrai's miller. But that doesn't work--if godfather were the passive ability, then the dread-clearing (which we know has to be real) would need to be the active power, otherwise there wouldn't be enough room on the card. And I find it really unlikely that a mafia would just have dread-clearing as their active power."
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"Only powers I have are the ones that I fessed up to. But given how quiet Chatot's been. I think she's trying to strategize who we should target tonight." Nanu surmised thoughtfully. "So. Guess we'll go ahead and see what happens. But I guess the question now is are we planning to vote anyone out? or are we abstaining from voting entirely for right now?"
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[[Not quite. Q was never pressing the idea hard, I was only voicing that its one of many possibilities. I never 'went along' as if was something to be done for real.
I specifically said I wasn't promoting the idea, I was just throwing the thought out.
As you can see I never pushed for it or demanded it. I wasn't hard driving for it, it was a vague thought at best.
I don't believe I ever voted for Q? I definitely sussed them. That's extremely different than a vote, imo.
Anyways on a broader note, I'll try to make a full readlist later. Right now I feel a bit at a loss. For the time being, all I have is admittedly vibes on people. My best sus was briefly early, when my misunderstanding of how swap order works led me to believe Blossom lied. That doesn't seem like the case at all, now that confusion is cleared up.
To reiterate my earlier statement, Blossom really doesn't seem like she's lying. Its too messy, too complex, to lie about. It feels like a beginner trying their best (which, is basically me when you get down to it too, so no ill will.)
Blossom is basically town in my book, for now.
But even last game, when I thought free was sus but never elaborated, or found q vaguely sus in that other the game, or any of the few other times I ended up being sort of right, it wasn't something I could explain :/
Which doesn't help us/town, I know.
Honestly Starlight is pinging me, for her behaviour, some of which was highlighted in sinds earlier post. WHile I sympathize and have definitelygone back and forth on my own suspicions and thoughts as the day goes on, her behaviour feels a little off. The only way I can describe it is 'agenda driven' and like they have something to hide, but not in the way a town person hides their power role. More like someone who isn't worried about being nightkilled, but is worried about a TP kill. Like mafia trying to eliminate real threats.
And I apologize in advance to anyreal town players because I can't figure out a better, more concrete way to explain my thought process here.
but I am going to say something maybe controversial now, that based on who has been 'checked' by blossom, who has revealed, and what powers we've seen, and who I believe about powers: I feel like Sind is a candidate for being the beast, aka a TP. Slipping under the radar in a way that is neither town, nor scum trying to be helpful. Yet still genuinely trying to be helpful and offer insight since that still helps them. I am sorry Sind (to your irl, ur great) but something about them feels weird.
I know they offered to softclaim and made readlists, and that is helpful to town and what someone who wanted to look town-y would do. Which is good because its what a TP would maybe do to appear town to scum, and town to town, while mantaining cover to stay alive until a day upon which they act properly.
But this still a theory I'm not sure about, and I have always historially hated being wrong/killing the wrong folks.
Lastly, quick reads of people I think are safe:
Chibi, torchic, Pano, Blossom, Free,
Maybe Fray
Also I do agree with a point chibimade: At the very least, Q was very forthright about their plan to mass claim, and very much notcagey or hiding thoughts about mass roleclaim. They seem consistent, and while they're not hard town in my book yet I can say they seem a little more realiable than my initial analysis in earlier days]]
ShiniGojira
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"Oh we're definitely not abstaining today, that's for damn sure. That Ninetales may not be the Beast, but I'm willing to bet she's a beast, or at least scum.""You said you have night powers, but all you've got to go on is vibes. So what have you been doing for three nights now? You can't be a cop otherwise you'd have already inspected me, rather than play "pin-the-blame-on-Sidney". And I doubt you're a roleblocker because, again, why wouldn't you try to sabotage me in the night if I'm so shady?"
"'Course, if you were scum you could just off me in the night, but where's the fun in that when half the town was ready to hang me without you lifting a finger?""She's got a million and one reasons to sus everyone else, so let's see what she's got to prove we shouldn't sus her."
Vote: Courtney/Starlight
Sidney shrugged. "Not like I haven't already made my stance known yesterday."
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[[Dread comes from Free, patron Darkrai... We've been over this a billion times. We actually have no information about the beast other than from Blossom's role, which said it was "active" as of today.]]
[[Fam I pretty much offered myself up to be targeted by info roles and other town powers and whatever the fuck because of my role, why would I do that if I were the Beast???? From what I can tell, Blossom has a whole damn roster of people to check, so if I were actually the Beast, I wouldn't say a goddamn word and hold my breath and hope she left me alone, not BLAST myself as somebody who should be targeted by a role like that.
You haven't really answered the questions I'd given you in my readlist either. What specifically makes you go HMMMMMMM about me??? I slipped under the radar because I wasn't being as active as I should be, but again I go back to the point I defended myself on with Starlight--I have at least TRIED to pose questions on the people I've found suspicious to me. For example, I stuck my neck out on Torchic pretty much from the beginning because I was SO SURE they were acting sus. Even if my questions and observations were wrong, I have still tried to be helpful to town, hence why I also offered to softclaim, because it seems everyone has been playing cards to chest and felt like some info extra was better than none, knowing I've been kinda down and out--which again, you gave absolutely no response to. Tbh I don't think you've said much of ANYTHING about me, aside from maybe a readlist where you dubbed me null, until today. Everything about this is giving me really really bad vibes from you.]]
Inkedust
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[[Been generally a bit busy, but I have caught up with the thread and have a few thoughts to share:
I do think that Starlight is our safest vote for today. I was waffling quite a bit with my read on her on prior days and I do think that my read on her was influenced by my general disbelief of Blossom's claim (something I'm willing to believe for now thanks to Pano's claim and further clarification). Yes, it could just be some misguided townies going hard at each other, but Starlight raises too many red flags to ignore. These flags were already brought up by other players, so I don't see the need to repeat myself here, but looking back at lot of her posts feel agenda driven. For example: skipping the night phase would be great to suppress info roles. Getting other players to claim would be great for any hostile anti-town player to figure out who's the most dangerous but don't mass-claim because then they might get caught (for the record, I don't think mass-claiming at this point in the game is a good idea, since all it does is give Mafia/the Beast a convenient hit-list and this will hurt town more than help for the time being).
I also had a small theory pop up in my mind as I was rereading. This is entirely speculative and we won't know anything until the night phase--so take it with a grain of salt and don't let it derail the convo--but I thought it was worth sharing for now:
What if Bluwii was the Third-party Blossom is looking for? Yes, he claimed Cult Leader and all that, but something doesn't add up here. By the looks of things, it appears that any role/ability that impacts the player in a mechanical way is clearly telegraphed. Players are notified about dread, the strings, they get a visual indicator when targeted by Seren's role--so why would this be any different? No players died when Bluwii was eliminated, like he claimed was what would happen, nor did they receive any notifications about being in his cult--which seems like a pretty major thing to notify players about. Additionally, Bluwii was trying to play up the idea that if we voted him out, his cult would go down with him (trying to discourage use from voting him out) but shooting him at night would be totally okay--this aligns with Blossom's claim that the supposed "Beast" is Bulletproof and can only be taken out by Blossom: He was trying to buy time by baiting any nightkills so he would make it to Day 4, where his powers would activate.
Also, also, while this could be entirely flavour, this post stuck out to me and got me brain a-thonking:
Again, this is just me going into full conspiracy theorist mode, so please take it with a grain of salt.]]
I do think that Starlight is our safest vote for today. I was waffling quite a bit with my read on her on prior days and I do think that my read on her was influenced by my general disbelief of Blossom's claim (something I'm willing to believe for now thanks to Pano's claim and further clarification). Yes, it could just be some misguided townies going hard at each other, but Starlight raises too many red flags to ignore. These flags were already brought up by other players, so I don't see the need to repeat myself here, but looking back at lot of her posts feel agenda driven. For example: skipping the night phase would be great to suppress info roles. Getting other players to claim would be great for any hostile anti-town player to figure out who's the most dangerous but don't mass-claim because then they might get caught (for the record, I don't think mass-claiming at this point in the game is a good idea, since all it does is give Mafia/the Beast a convenient hit-list and this will hurt town more than help for the time being).
I also had a small theory pop up in my mind as I was rereading. This is entirely speculative and we won't know anything until the night phase--so take it with a grain of salt and don't let it derail the convo--but I thought it was worth sharing for now:
What if Bluwii was the Third-party Blossom is looking for? Yes, he claimed Cult Leader and all that, but something doesn't add up here. By the looks of things, it appears that any role/ability that impacts the player in a mechanical way is clearly telegraphed. Players are notified about dread, the strings, they get a visual indicator when targeted by Seren's role--so why would this be any different? No players died when Bluwii was eliminated, like he claimed was what would happen, nor did they receive any notifications about being in his cult--which seems like a pretty major thing to notify players about. Additionally, Bluwii was trying to play up the idea that if we voted him out, his cult would go down with him (trying to discourage use from voting him out) but shooting him at night would be totally okay--this aligns with Blossom's claim that the supposed "Beast" is Bulletproof and can only be taken out by Blossom: He was trying to buy time by baiting any nightkills so he would make it to Day 4, where his powers would activate.
Also, also, while this could be entirely flavour, this post stuck out to me and got me brain a-thonking:
Again, this is just me going into full conspiracy theorist mode, so please take it with a grain of salt.]]
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"Ah, okay, well... that was just about the reason I was figuring, too. Safe pick, I guess. Well, at least it might let me experiment with countering the strings, I guess.
"Oh, and uh... sorry to blow your cover, then," Kimiko added with an apologetic smile. "I was just... really confused why you'd want to power up the one person whose power is least likely to be helpful at this stage."
"Yeah, Sidney's got it. No mark this morning because I was blocked last night, and was informed that I'll be able to act twice tomorrow, so. Like I said, I figure I'll just mark a couple people who have strings and see what happens.
"I'm not sure what you mean by 'convenient', really. I took the leap to reveal my power out in the open early on and have backed it up to the best of my ability, even to the point in admitting that now I question what use I can be mechanically anymore. Of course we can't confirm it if everyone votes out the person we suspected to be my opposite. Please tell me you're not now suspicious of me for helping to eliminate a third party."
[[ To be fair, yeah, in a setup like this, I also would not be surprised too much if it was a mafia with a curing power, just to screw with town and having to weigh the benefits of keeping a known mafia alive to help keep a TP in line or just eliminating the known mafia. That said, if I were mafia, I wouldn't be this transparent about my powers. I've already said that I'd be willing to reveal the rest of mine if necessary. ]]
"Okay, based on this list... we know Dave's, Aster's, and my own roles. We have claims from Winona and Fray that are currently still in question. Honestly... I'm really scared at the very notion of Ajia or Mademoiselle being this 'beast', or just a third party in general. I don't really buy it, but hot damn, that's a terrifying concept. That leaves... Odette and Cosmo.
Hm... Odette's been very helpful in summarizing and note-taking, but if she really is a third party, then it's still beneficial for her to help in whatever ways she can to eliminate as many people as possible, so while I don't think I'd buy mafia!Odette, I can see a case for TP!Odette, I guess. That said, she did also say that her role is a boon to town if people interact with her, which is honestly just asking for a cop to check her, so... gives me a good feeling from that, at least?
Cosmo is still kind of an unknown really, but... something about their play so far just has felt off to me, even since coming back from the precipice of inactivity. I can't pinpoint exactly why, but it gives me more scummy vibes than third party vibes.
"At this point, if you're going to pick a target at random to try to shoot, I'd probably say Cosmo or Odette is the best random chance out of this list, but that's my feelings on it."
"The chances of you making it out of tonight alive are... not looking good, I'm sorry to say, so... if you honestly can't harm anyone but the beat with your killing ability, I don't see the harm in shooting blind. Just... try to pick someone logical."
She nodded at Ajia. "Okay, so voting the beast out isn't going to end the game.
"In regards to the strongman shot, though. That that single unavoidable kill would have to be aimed perfectly for the game to end just like that. If Nanu had been able to keep quiet about his ability and just hunt the beast without anyone else knowing, that makes it much harder for the beast to complete his win condition. A solo player taking on 19 others to win, while somehow not being offed themselves by mafia, town, OR their own prey? That seems unfair, especially with being delayed to act until N4. I could see a universe in which the exchange for all of that is that the beast can insta-win by taking out their counter-player. So like... yeah, with the beast's main fear being exposed like she was, that paints the situation in an entirely different light, I think.
"I guess my question then is, how likely is that scenario? This is a more chaotic game than average... so maybe by that virtue alone, this type of insta-lose role wouldn't be included? I guess my inexperience is showing..." She shook her head. She felt like she was beginning to talk in circles.
[[ I do find it hard to believe that only one player being able to deal with this beast sounds harsh, too, though... But then, there are other ways to potentially neuter the beast though, too, right? For example, wouldn't Dave's dread block anything the beast can do outright? So even if we lost the beast's hunter, we'd still be able to hold 'em off, at least. And if there's more ways to stop this beast rather than just killing it before it can act, I don't see why it couldn't also have a game-ending kill ability, even if we haven't met the alternate conditions to hinder it yet, which would suck for us.]]
"Yeah, no, definitely not abstaining anymore."
"Honestly though, I feel the same can be said for you," she said, eyeing the linoone. "And Odette's at least been making attempts... I feel like you've mostly just been echoing others' thoughts."
"This... actually does make a lot of sense, honestly? Sans did also vote for Nanu to "confer his protective mark" so maybe he had been actually planning to eliminate her? I don't recall if she had revealed what she does yet by that stage, but it's possible he'd already figured it out? Will go back to re-read.
"The only real hole I see with this is that, technically, my patron isn't a legendary either. It's an ultra beast, and sans claimed to have mechanical proof that it existed in the game... which maybe he had just guessed from my hints?
"That said... now I'm really paranoid that I've been wasting my nights so far and really I do counter the strings. It kind of makes sense that the person getting them wouldn't be told how or what they're called, nor that the person giving them would just come out and confirm the name when I've so openly admitted to being able to cure something.
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"One further thought did come to me after I replied [[ because of course it did ]] - what if the players affected were notified? If they had become TP rather than town/mafia, would they really admit to being converted openly? If their alignment changed, so would their win condition, so it wouldn't make sense any longer to admit to being converted to a cult after it happened."
Inkedust
Harbinger of Sunrise
[[I initially considered this on D3, but it was thrown all out the window by two things: 1) Bluwii voted for me on D3, which would've, according to him, made me part of his cult. I received no notification regarding any alignment/win-con shifts. He also claimed that nobody would be notified. 2) He lied about the players he marked going down with him likely as a means to buy time.]]
Panoramic_Vacuum
Hoenn around
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"Y'know, that's not the craziest thing I've ever heard..."
"But it's still pretty crazy. I like it. At this point until we see what the Beast can do, if they're even still around, we shouldn't waste any more time trying to find it. That's Nanu's job. We still gotta find the other bad guys. By my count, if that Slakoth was a hostile TP, that leaves us with five hostiles left. My guess is either just one TP and four scum, or two hostile TPs and three scum."