Dave paced. "Oh my God. I'd be tearing my fucking hair out if I wasn't a fucking dog right now.
"Let me just go over the fucking diamond thing once and for all.
- Puck the Quagsire claims he can
inflict some kind of status effect, and tried to use it on Laura the Meowth last night. He also
can't be blocked. There was no indication his status effect would show up in any visible way; he just kind of assumed that because a diamond showed up, it must've been because of him and his diamond-themed legendary, and therefore since it showed up on Ajia the Delcatty it must have been swapped around somehow.
This bullshit was where the entire swap theory came from. There is actually zero evidence any swap happened.
- The Snivy said
she inflicted the diamond on Ajia, and what the diamond
is is it means she's been cured of a certain status effect, and I guess protected against it for the night too. The fact there'd be a mark was explicitly mentioned on her card, and her guardian chose the diamond shape because of some fucking nonsense about the 'last game'.
- Fray the Froslass's guardian claims to be a
jack of all trades, who can replenish their actions if they're targeted with the same one. They figured this implied that all the actions they have available are also abilities other people have, which is reasonable. Then, because of the baseless fucking swap theory, they were convinced a swap had happened, and because one of the abilities they knew existed causes one-way swap (the
self-targeting deflector), they figured if there was a swap it must've been that, so the person with that ability must've been the person who was supposedly originally targeted, Laura. The way they explained it was a confusing mess, and it was all premised on the idea that the swap was a thing even though I kept trying to clarify we didn't actually know that was a thing, and that there couldn't be any
other power in play that causes a swap, but given those premises it was
basically a chain of thought that hung together.
- After all this Puck was surprised Laura hadn't said anything about being targeted by his power, implying the target should be told they received his status effect. Actually Laura
had been told she received a status effect, and is pretty sure it means Puck is innocent,
unless it happens that some other unrelated swap happened and the thing Laura got isn't actually what Puck used.
"So what we get out of this whole clusterfuck is there's not actually any evidence of any swapping happening, besides Fray's ability indicating that a self-targeting deflector
exists but there's no evidence to suggest that had anything to do with any of what went on. There are no mysteries left with any of this whole cluster of actions."
He took a deep breath. "Okay, next. Tackling some of the shit people have been saying, that's
not about this whole tangle of bullshit."
"As far as the other two... just because they mentioned it doesn't mean it's their own, which is what we were basing this off of, right?"
"This was about your theory that just saying the name of
any legendary gets you stringed. Since they didn't, clearly not. That should be the end of that."
Starlight makes some points--can at least partially confirm that speaking a legendary name doesn't cause strings because I also mentioned Cresselia and never got stringed. If on the other hand strings only attaches when you speak your OWN legendary name, then Torchic either isn't Cresselia, or got Stringed and didn't say anything (or is the cause of the Strings? Huhuhuhuhuhu). Or maybe it only happens when you reveal your role AND say your patron?
"Again, please fucking remember that my idiot guardian made that shit up out of whole cloth. There's zero actual
evidence it's about saying the name of your patron. It was a wild theory, feel free to avoid saying it because that costs you nothing but speculating about the exact circumstances of this completely fucking made-up mechanic taking effect is a waste of time."
[[Yeah, uh, I'm starting to regret even speculating about that a bit. It's a day action, I figured there was
some reason it was taken just then and not at some other point, I thought of the patron name thing because I once did something similar in a game I GMed. Please,
please don't waste time speculating about
exactly how the patron name thing activates or possible conditions on it or whatever. There is no evidence there is actually any kind of patron name thing, at all.]]
Chibi prods Seren for more info on the diamond, and mentions that Puck never said it was a swap (???????? tbh I thought it was implied??? And Yellow never said what her power did so??? Confusion).
Dave sighed. "Okay, just touching on this one because it's a misunderstanding of a different thing than what everyone else was misunderstanding. What Ajia was saying there was that Puck wasn't suggesting the
mark itself was created by a swap. Puck
did suggest a swap happened."
"I do not fucking understand why you would indicate that you know something then NOT share it. At that point, you're better off keeping any indication that you know something to yourself and then revealing it when you can, instead of painting a target on your back like you just did. It's putting up a massive flag for me. You say "trust you" but that feels in the same vein as that fucking Slakoth's "I have a power that I can give somebody but that person won't know that they got it so it can't really be fact checked so you kind of have to wait and see what happens." Why should we trust you when you haven't offered anything substantial to back that up?"
"Just... fucking chill about this, I can think of a few reasons they could be doing this. I can believe they think they'll have something useful to reveal tomorrow, and that hinting at it right now without revealing it could be neutral or positive. Not something we should be going after right now."
Also, I keep wanting to reply to a ton of things but there literally isn't enough time in my day and I keep wanting to go back to sleep BUT if Shini is telling the truth, doesn't that suggest the doc (and I'm assuming there must be one) should just keep targeting Shini to make them function as a second doc...? I am. So sick of being confused all the time. But that sounds pretty wild.]]
"Well,
presumably Froslass wouldn't get the ability back until the night
after they get targeted, so it'd be at most every other night, and that'd require the other doctors to be on a schedule healing the same person, which'd be pretty fucking convenient for the mafia. I don't think that sounds like some implausibly broken sort of deal."
And similarly, why does Bluwii not know what power he gives people by voting for them?
"He didn't say he
didn't know, he said he
couldn't say, which I assumed just meant he didn't want to reveal the nature of it."
Does this mean the mafia can only take out ONE player per night, and the third party probably takes out another?]]
"What's all this about
the third party? There's no reason there couldn't be multiple third parties, or technically none for that matter if that's not what the strings are. I assume it's just referring to the mafia's factional kill, at any rate. Maybe they've got additional powers that can kill
on their cards but the kill the mafia can do because it's the mafia is just one, which makes sense to me."
"when i vote for someone, i can prevent them from being marked for the next night," he said. nodding slowly. "i do have a theory about what a mark means, but i'm getting to that. there is an interesting snippet, however: my power doesn't work on a certain patron legendary. i'm assuming right now that that's whatever puck's patron is. this is why i had some theories about the 'diamond of light', since that would tie in pretty well to the other legendary that i know exists via mechanical confirmation."
"now. i kind of have a wild crack theory, if you'll hear me out," said sans, clearing his throat. "i think that this game revolves around several cult leaders, and how many members they manage to 'recruit'. we had the strings, the diamond thing, and now whatever puck does. i am saying this now because i don't have anything to lose, if i'm already on the chopping block. so, make of that what you will."
"Okay. So what you're saying is you were told your power prevents a player being 'marked', and when you saw the diamond you figured that's what's meant by a mark. And since you were told there's
one patron whose 'marks' your power
doesn't protect from, and that patron seemed diamond-related, you figured that's what the diamond was? Someone getting 'marked' by that one legendary you knew about?" Dave frowned, thinking. "I
guess that checks out. Explains the vote role being protective, and making a connection with the diamond and patrons even before Puck started talking about the diamond having to do with his patron. If you think this is a multiple cults sort of deal, though, why'd you say you
didn't know if it was positive or negative? Isn't cult recruitment pretty fucking negative, and doesn't the fact you thought your power was good mean you figured marks were bad? Or what, did you think maybe the marks of the patron you
couldn't protect from were good? Like, a 'town cult'?"
He paused. "Also, does it say they're protected from being marked for the
night, or the next
day too? Because the strings thing happened during the day, so if your thing supposedly only applies for the night, then that's
another likely cult thing that you apparently
can't protect from."
Dave paced a rough, agitated circle on the ground. "Okay. This actually kind of ties into something else I was wondering about, which is why would an ability that
cures something leave a
mark? Something visible during the next day? Snivy even clarified that it doesn't apply some
permanent protection that lasts until the next night or anything. So why would that even be a thing? The mark being 'recruitment' into some kind of faction would explain
that, I guess." He looked at Snivy. "Have
you got any insight on
why your power would leave a visible mark? It sure doesn't seem like anyone
else's power has been doing that so far."
He exhaled slowly. "That's all I've got for now. Still going to look better into some of the people I didn't manage to last night before the end of the day, but here's an updated temperature check on the living players."
Strong townlean
Mademoiselle [Inkedust] - [[Probably my strongest town vibes right now? Always makes good points and analysis and clear thinking about situations and what's a distraction and what isn't.]]
Moderately town
Kimiko [Seren] - [[I definitely think he's telling the truth about the whole diamond mark thing - only thing that gives me pause is the possibility that the diamond mark is possibly
also some form of cult recruitment (but then again, maybe it's the town cult, for perma-townies, or something).]]
Ajia [Chibi Pika] - [[I had a bout of paranoia about them yesterday but have been generally feeling good about them today, though rereading should probably clarify my thoughts better.]]
Princess [bruh moment] - [[Their thought process on the Bluwii thing and the weird backtracking on it feels pretty towny to me, though it's
possible it's kind of aggressive mafia play making use of legitimate avenues of suspicion and I wouldn't put that past kyeugh.]]
Shimmer [Windskull] - [[Felt pretty good about her posts; was the first to call DADV on Bluwii, but that didn't really ping me the way Jackie and Yellow's scrambling afterward did.]]
Odette [Cinderella] - [[Her reactions feel authentic and I like her; largely just vibes, but.]]
Fray [ShiniGojira] - [[Has been all over the place with weird reasoning but I think the claim is for real; the reasoning he came up with for it is way too elaborate to be made up, I think. That said, a mafia JOAT doesn't seem impossible?]]
Slightly town
Arctozolt [Bench] - [[This gambit thing feels consistent with previous townplay? But that's about all I can say about it for now. Extremely little to go on.]]
Cosmo [Flyg0n] - [[I still feel good about the fact she was the first person to react to my Miller claim and came down on the side of thinking I was town,
but it is true her play's been scarce and soft. Then again I assumed she was mafia for that last game and look what happened? I think she's the first person I want to reread, since not that many posts anyway, and will probably be able to develop thoughts further then.]]
Ehh (waffling)
Puck [HelloYellow17] - [[Vague circumstantial sus from yesterday: first person to bring up no mafia daytalk and waffly on me. Dislike today: the hasty vote and unvote for Bluwiikoon and subsequent defensiveness thereof. On the other hand: the whole confusion about causing the diamond mark feels
very genuine and definitely not faked. Doesn't mean she's not mafia, but. Also, Jackie seems to believe the power they were hit with seemed town.]]
Laura [unrepentantAuthor] - [[I feel really weird about their progression on the Bluwii thing? First the vote, which is justified by pointing out they were reluctant to vote out Bluwii previously when he was scum,
sans [Bluwiikoon] - [[The claim basically
seems to check out? Like, what he claims now does seem to align with the specifics of what he posted at the beginning of the day. And nothing bad
seems to have happened to Arctozolt, and so far it sounds like actual status effects are generally something the target is told about, so protection from cult recruitment lines up as something the target wouldn't get told about better than if it's secretly inflicting something that doesn't cause any immediate ill effects but will be bad in the future...? On the other hand the power being activated by votes is still kind of weird, and I still have some questions about it.]]
Not much of an opinion
Tricky [SparklingEspeon] - [[Still nonexistent.]]
Winona [Torchic] - [[Seems mostly pretty confused about a lot of things. I would need a reread to check if I'd agree it's the kind of confusion I'd read as unlikely from mafia, as Chibi postulated.]]
Nanu [Blossomleaf] - [[Nothing's stood out particularly to me, would need to reread.]]
Courtney [Starlight Aurate] - [[Again nothing's stood out particularly one way or the other for me.]]
Suspicions
Kekoa [Persephone] - [[Very little to go on but I still find her effort to get me eliminated to be something mafia would be motivated to do, and generally isn't contributing very much; wouldn't want to vote today without more posting, but bad vibes generally. I keep thinking of that one time I got bad vibes off her determination to vote somebody off in one of the previous mafias, voted her on that hunch, and was right.]]
Sidney [Panoramic_Vacuum] - [[This is still mostly just the circumstantial sus from yesterday, to be honest. Should reread.]]