IFBench
Rescue Team Member
- Location
- Pokemon Paradise
- Partners
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[[Alright.]]
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
- Thread starter Namohysip
- Start date
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ bad read, youre scum now -q ]]
Inkedust
Harbinger of Sunrise
[[Gonna make a quick, off-the-cuff readlist so I can get my bearings straight and who to look out for:
- Town: Chibi, Free, Bench, Yellow, Tetra, Seren, Shini, Sind.
- Null: Pano, Starlight, Espy, Blossom, Bruh, Pers, Wind.
- Sus: Bluwii, Torchic.
Flyg0n
Flygon connoisseur
- Pronouns
- She/her
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[[I honestly am torn on if Q is scum or not. Their play is a lot like last scum play, but not just in memeing (although I do think 'What I'm never allowed to meme again bc when I did I was scum' is ... odd?
But the reason I'm a little sus has more to do with weird vibes.... i can't pin it down. I don't want to say unhelpful, because thats not a fully accurate word.
Something. For now I remain uncvinced of their innocence? I'll try to nail something concrete]]
But the reason I'm a little sus has more to do with weird vibes.... i can't pin it down. I don't want to say unhelpful, because thats not a fully accurate word.
Something. For now I remain uncvinced of their innocence? I'll try to nail something concrete]]
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ please explain to me how this is odd -q ]]
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ like i'm trying not to harp on this too much because i know it's not pleasant but i am not sure how to make it clear that a) it is extremely annoying for me, someone who likes to joke around and have a good time, to have to suddenly treat making jokes like it's somehow game relevant just because some people collectively decided it is, and b) that this is not a read. i can count on one hand the number of people in this game who have offered any kind of opinion on me that isn't just "uhhh she joked in the last game and was mafia." the suggestion that that's alignment-indicative in any way is ridiculous and it's really grating on me having to read like five different people leveling this at me all the time like it means anything and then just kind of nodding about it like they've highlighted something wise. please just interact with me like a normal player and stop bringing up this weird useless point. that's all i'll say about it for the rest of the game, but if anyone continues pressing that line of argument against me i'm just straight up scumreading you at this point. that's not playing the game, it's low-hanging fruit. -q ]]
Persephone
Infinite Screms
- Pronouns
- her/hers
- Partners
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[[I got a little too enthusiastic once and got bandwagoned and killed in the last fifteen minutes.]]
“And you probably deserved it.”
[[Yup. Oh, @IFBench do not reveal. If you’re one shot bulletproof or pure bulletproof or something else it’s best if the mafia doesn’t know. That way if you are only OSBP the mafia will still be wary to strike you again.]]
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ i didn't even get any cred for making that call, smh. still got sussed after that. not getting any cred for voting jackie last night either. someday my soul reads will be appreciated. -q ]]
Flyg0n
Flygon connoisseur
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[[Or are you soulreading bc u were secretly on their side :galaxeon:]]
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ precisely what the mafia would say. *takes a drag from my bubble pipe* ]]
Flyg0n
Flygon connoisseur
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[[I'll try to type up a better explanation later when I can compose thoughts in a reasonable way but fwiw, I know ur miffed, but I still feel like everything is gameplay but the reason I have a very mild sus of you isn't because you're making jokes tbh. Making jokes isn't really what I scum read people for precisely, the reasons why I sometimes have susses of people come down to ~vibes~ that are often much harder for me to put into words. Its cues and things I am not always great a verbalizing.
But thisisn't about jokes specifically, rest assured.
Also this isn't a 'I am ready to vote for you this instant' sus its more like a 'hmmm I am not certain I trust this person' ]]
[[I already had made note of both of those posts, tbf. I know you were originally stuck on the switch, which I already called out for being odd, but your first post of the day indicated being sus of the bandwagoning which you said NOTHING about in regards to feeling some type of way about Jackie. “Called it, maybe” juxtaposed with “I don’t sus them enough to hard call them mafia rn” just looks WEIRD. Once again cannot stress the fact that I know you’re new but I’m not making the mistake of letting things slide because of that.
In one of Namo’s other games there was a player, Homestar! (Bless his soul) got super in to the RP and made a bogus claim IN RP that sent the game into a tailspin—also made a lot of other crazy claims and observations during the game. His character’s name was Mike, and posting galaxy brained plays that ACTUALLY aren’t galaxy brained came to be known as “Mikeposting” in that game.
I’m really sorry Q, I didn’t mean to strike a nerve or make you upset or anything. I was more or less just trying to draw parallels to previous games but truth be told I think the only gAme I played with you was Humble Vale so my frame of reference is very skewed, and I should note that. I’ll try to watch myself from here on out, and I do apologize again if I upset you.]]
Inkedust
Harbinger of Sunrise
[[Very curious about your reasonings behind these some of these reads. Some make perfect sense (like less active players being on the null pile) but I think a few others require a bit of justification. Just some food for thought.
He was the biggest Galaxy Brain of them all
bruh moment
mewtini + kyeugh
- Location
- Bruh City, USA
- Pronouns
- she/her (both)
[[ it's ok! i'm not, like, mad or upset, and it wasn't a You thing, it's just like. 😐 y'know. no hard feelings or anything, i just wanna focus on the game and i feel like my Joke Quotient is not the game, hah. -q ]]
[[Jackieposts of note: (this is me going through their entire post history in the thread and quoting/linking anything gameplay-relevant with some minimal commentary)
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Initial notes; thinks Shini is more eager to be helpful compared to last game, townreads Chibi/Inke/me, expects five or six antitown players.
In response to Yellow's claim there's a swapper:
Re Seren talking about patron name thing:
In response to me talking about it not being worth speculating on:
Says they're pretty sure Chibi is town, in response to whether scum swapped scum and a townie; poses that either it was a townie swapping them or mafia just chose to swap two townies. Asks why Yellow assumes Jackie looks suspicious if they were swapped with Chibi, whether she just has such a strong townread on Chibi that they can't imagine it was the other way around. (Honestly kind of a good point? Is this Yellow TMI?) Prods at why nobody's voted sans yet, and carefully justifies sans vote based on Porygon in the previous mafia and wanting to avoid arguing against sacrificing slightly-sus players they can still imagine as town. (Defending Shini now was not very consistent with this principle, was it.) Says they could be persuaded to get on a different wagon but it looks like there's support for this one so let's see how it goes.
(All in all, Jackie seems eager to get a wagon going on Bluwii.)
(Either way, suppose that Yellow is town. It seems pretty weird to me that Jackie, as mafia, would insist that Yellow's power of blocking and then duplicating a power is something that makes them pretty fucking sure she's town, because like... if I had a power that's not particularly towny, and someone who was hit by it started insisting they're sure I'm town because of it, I'd feel pretty weird about it? Trying to pocket a townie is one thing, but trying to pocket a townie on the basis that their power seems super town when it isn't...?)
(Meanwhile, supposing Yellow is scum, what's going on here is just Jackie backing up Yellow to give her towncred.)
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Still suspicious of Tetra and Bluwii, irritated by confusion/no swap (if Jackie and Yellow are mafia partners, then Jackie knew all along there was no swap, but is doing a good job acting out the confusion anyway).
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Picks apart Shini's reasoning (but calls him Torchic as the post goes on? Maybe that mistake suggests they're not partners? Or maybe they're galaxy braining and trying to make it sound like they can't even keep straight who they are (or maybe Torchic and Shini are both their partners)), says there are probably multiple swappers.
In response to Bluwii postulating multiple cults:
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Speculates Bluwii is cult leader, reiterates Tetra is weird compared to previous play, but agrees with Chibi that eliminating someone whose power we haven't heard about is bad, calls Shini's Dread lie "deeply fucking alarming" but asks others how suspicious it is.
(Seemingly does not want to commit to suspecting Shini unless others agree, keeping suspicion of Tetra going but letting it go when Chibi advises against.)
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Readlist; suspects bench, Bluwii, bruh moment, and Tetra. Yellow is under soft town here, despite the claim that the mechanical evidence made her hard town.
(Again, it feels like Jackie is reluctant to fully commit to having a mechanical townread on Yellow.)
After I question where that reasoning came from:
In response to me not liking that vote:
After I ask if they're suggesting they know something re rolestopping question:
Once extension is secured:
In response to more of my prodding about Shini:
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Questions Starlight assuming it might be bad to vote for Bluwii, tells Shini it always looks dodgy when people lie but hindsight is 20/20.
(Doesn't really seem to want to reevaluate Shini based on how dodgy the lying looks. Valid on a strong townread, I guess, but the smallest side-eye nonetheless.)
All in all, my main takeaways:
- I think it's basically impossible Jackie and Bluwii were scum partners (though this of course does not mean Bluwii couldn't be another anti-town faction). First Jackie led trying to start a bandwagon on him when a lot of people were suspecting him, then hastily walked it back on others' cue, then kept on sort of trying to find permission to vote Bluwii again throughout the day but still didn't actually wind up voting him. That's not bussing behaviour, it's scum hoping to manage to get a train on a townie off the ground.
- Shini defense feels, to me, like it's just a bit more determined than your standard mafia "can we really be sure about this". It doesn't make it a sure thing or anything, Jackie can act, but I was kind of expecting after Inke's post that I'd likewise conclude Jackie's Shini defense was innocuous but after my own reading I've kind of gone the other way?
- Yellow interactions also feel suspect to me. Jackie maintained that the power Yellow targeted them with made them confident she was town, yet didn't actually act from there like they were really confident she was town on a mechanical basis. That's besides me not feeling like the power Yellow has claimed should actually prompt that kind of certainty she must be town in the first place. There was an instance where Yellow expressed suspicion of Jackie because of the swap thing, but nothing really came of it and all in all I think this could easily have been deliberate distancing.
I think I'mmm just going to go ahead and be spicy and vote: HelloYellow17]]
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
BARTHOLOMEW: -- uhhh good new is that I'm not worrying much for the person you choose -- bad news is that scum is prolly going to go after you instead RIP bud "heh. they can try," replied sans, winking.
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(Casts vague, reserved suspicion on bruh moment for shitposting, positive about Chibi, not suspicious of Torchic)
(mono confusion)
(Moderate confidence in me)
In response to Yellow's claim there's a swapper:
(Suggests Yellow's postulated swapper is likely scum based on meta)
Re Seren talking about patron name thing:
In response to me talking about it not being worth speculating on:
(more confusion)
(All in all, Jackie seems eager to get a wagon going on Bluwii.)
(more confusion)
(Joining Tetra wagon on the basis of liking Yellow's reasoning, claiming actually they never wanted to lynch Bluwii at all and don't like the wagon (but still doesn't suspect Yellow for it))
(Defense against Shini's suspicion, again defends Bluwii vote/retraction against bruh moment's suspicion of it.)
(Admits to being targeted in the night and having made assumptions about Chibi's alignment based on power they were targeted with (supposedly, Yellow's). Which is kind of funny; the only way I can see being targeted with a power being alignment-indicative is if you think it's a power scum would use, right? Since if town is using it they by definition don't know the alignment of their target so anyone might be targeted by it? But then...)
(Insistence that Yellow's power seems town, despite the above, and despite that if Yellow is telling the truth about her power, it doesn't sound all that inevitably town to me at all? I'm not sure what this means. Maybe what Jackie was getting at about making assumptions about Chibi's alignment was just based on the idea they would be swapped, not on Chibi supposedly being the original target of this power?)
(Either way, suppose that Yellow is town. It seems pretty weird to me that Jackie, as mafia, would insist that Yellow's power of blocking and then duplicating a power is something that makes them pretty fucking sure she's town, because like... if I had a power that's not particularly towny, and someone who was hit by it started insisting they're sure I'm town because of it, I'd feel pretty weird about it? Trying to pocket a townie is one thing, but trying to pocket a townie on the basis that their power seems super town when it isn't...?)
(Meanwhile, supposing Yellow is scum, what's going on here is just Jackie backing up Yellow to give her towncred.)
(Hastily walks back townread on Yellow despite it supposedly being mechanical? Sort of feels like they're reluctant to defend Yellow too hard despite supposedly having mechanical evidence making them pretty fucking sure she's town?)
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
[[Don't have very much time before I have to leave for the IRL Stuff, so a few essential points: - This day has been a clownshow and I'm provisionally suspicious of anyone who threw out unsubstantiated nonsense and got us tied in knots and moderately townreading anyone who clarified or...
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(Again making it sound like what they got hit with being meant for Chibi might have indicated Chibi's alignment.)
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
[[Don't have very much time before I have to leave for the IRL Stuff, so a few essential points: - This day has been a clownshow and I'm provisionally suspicious of anyone who threw out unsubstantiated nonsense and got us tied in knots and moderately townreading anyone who clarified or...
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In response to Bluwii postulating multiple cults:
(Not taking any stance on multiple cults.)
(Opines that Espy's nonexistence is consistent with her townplay, and that her scumplay involved showing up at all. Espy did, eventually, show up, but long after this post, at which point presumably Jackie had no idea she would, whether town or scum. So I don't think this was an effort to mislead.)
(Tentatively okay with Bench's gambit, townreads Inke, considering multiple cults and still suspects Bluwii.)
(I was momentarily confused by the "SK who targeted me" thing but that's because Shini said he healed me, so if a serial killer targeted me, I wouldn't have died.)
(I gueeess where Jackie was supposedly coming from on the mechanical Yellow read is that scum wouldn't choose to block and then double the action of someone whose power they have zero idea about? But they wouldn't have had any idea about anyone's power on N1 anyway, other than me, and there'd be little reason to use it on me, right?)
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
[[ quick morning post to address Free: thought I mentioned this in my large clarification lost but. The visible mark my ability leaves is specifically mentioned in my role pm. I knew everyone would see it when I cast it. ]]
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(Seemingly does not want to commit to suspecting Shini unless others agree, keeping suspicion of Tetra going but letting it go when Chibi advises against.)
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
[[Some quick notes before rereading time proper. First, @Bluwiikoon, I believe you missed where I asked you a couple questions about your power?]] If you think this is a multiple cults sort of deal, though, why'd you say you didn't know if it was positive or negative? Isn't cult recruitment...
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(Again, it feels like Jackie is reluctant to fully commit to having a mechanical townread on Yellow.)
(Jumps immediately on Inke's reasoning about counterparts making Bluwii a good vote. Definitely feels like not a move a mafia partner with Bluwii would ever make.)
After I question where that reasoning came from:
In response to me not liking that vote:
(Claiming to have only voted to pressure Tetra, after repeatedly talking about it being because of her uncharacteristic play. Not sure this means anything about Tetra.)
(Asks for my vote/reasoning.)
(Defending Shini, while noting they might be repeating their mistake from Banquet.)
(Defends Shini's claim as sounding like town JOAT, not scum JOAT, and that the whole deflector thing didn't seem like a scum plan. This is one bit of Jackie's Shini defense that doesn't quite feel to me like mafia just being hesitant to be too enthusiastic to vote out someone they know is a townie - it's a harder defense than that. Doesn't mean mafia!Jackie can't just simulate town!Jackie and make a point town!Jackie would make, of course, but.)
(More Shini defense.)
(Vote explicitly only for extension.)
After I ask if they're suggesting they know something re rolestopping question:
(This feels pretty genuine but I don't think it couldn't be faked.)
Once extension is secured:
In response to more of my prodding about Shini:
(Sort of hesitantly getting a little more on board with my suspicion?)
[TOWN WIN] Darkwhite's Role Overdrive Mafia
[[So I genuinely literally straight up forgot this exists and got lost in PLA, straight up. For hours. I have no excuse. Also weekends are a bad time for activity. Thats why I haven't even been aggressive. I barely read anything, barely skimmed, and didn't know what was going on so I didn't make...
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(Doesn't really seem to want to reevaluate Shini based on how dodgy the lying looks. Valid on a strong townread, I guess, but the smallest side-eye nonetheless.)
(Doesn't like Tetra or Shini wagons, waits for others' cue on whether to go for Bluwii.)
(Keeping up suspicion of Bluwii.)
(This is their last actual game-relevant post, aside from one just asking if I got strung during the day (yes). Still leaning Bluwii but does not end up actually making the vote.)
All in all, my main takeaways:
- I think it's basically impossible Jackie and Bluwii were scum partners (though this of course does not mean Bluwii couldn't be another anti-town faction). First Jackie led trying to start a bandwagon on him when a lot of people were suspecting him, then hastily walked it back on others' cue, then kept on sort of trying to find permission to vote Bluwii again throughout the day but still didn't actually wind up voting him. That's not bussing behaviour, it's scum hoping to manage to get a train on a townie off the ground.
- Shini defense feels, to me, like it's just a bit more determined than your standard mafia "can we really be sure about this". It doesn't make it a sure thing or anything, Jackie can act, but I was kind of expecting after Inke's post that I'd likewise conclude Jackie's Shini defense was innocuous but after my own reading I've kind of gone the other way?
- Yellow interactions also feel suspect to me. Jackie maintained that the power Yellow targeted them with made them confident she was town, yet didn't actually act from there like they were really confident she was town on a mechanical basis. That's besides me not feeling like the power Yellow has claimed should actually prompt that kind of certainty she must be town in the first place. There was an instance where Yellow expressed suspicion of Jackie because of the swap thing, but nothing really came of it and all in all I think this could easily have been deliberate distancing.
I think I'mmm just going to go ahead and be spicy and vote: HelloYellow17]]
HelloYellow17
Gym Leader
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[[ Hello yes, I’m not sure if I’m prepared to be actively sus of q/bruh moment yet, but here’s why I’ve been side eying them:
They’ve been very active this game! But so far, it feels less like they’re actually scum hunting and mostly just…throwing mild sus in every direction. Like when something happens, they lean in to say, “hmm, why is that? Kind of odd.” But I don’t see them prodding the inactives or less actives, I don’t really see them getting behind any specific voting train, they’re just…floating around in this weird neutral space while casting vaguely doubtful vibes over every theory that’s brought up. I hope I’m explaining this well.
Anyways, this hasn’t sat right with me. I’m not sure if it’s just because I’m not super used to q’s playstyle? And the fact that it’s a hybrid account could be a factor in the weird vibes perhaps? I’m not sure. But it is enough for me to side-eye a bit, and also the vote on Jackie last night didn’t scream “town” to me, it was straight up weird and out of nowhere.
Felt less like a town move to me and a lot more like scum just trying to add confusion/possibly distract from Bluwii/possibly trying to build more town cred.
(Also idk what’s going on, XF keeps italicizing everything so if these last few paragraphs are italicized, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to do that lol.) ]]
perhaps
Ajia blanched. "I wasn't suspicious because of the jokes. I was suspicious for other reasons, and then the jokes just... made me scared. Because I knew it was going to be that much harder to tell if you were lying.]]
[[The jokes aren't a scumtell, they're a "lol idk" tell. I gave my reasons--the sans train seemed prepared in advance, and set up in a way that was hoping for someone else to make the first move
Voting for Jackie is a thing I guess, but it was a last-minute vote with no reason given and no effort to convince anyone to get on board? Very safe. Also, voting for Jackie was basically choosing to let no-lynch win, which is extremely weird and not like q's usual townplay at all. Usually she's the first one to clang pots over a D1 skip being bad, let alone D2.
The main thing giving me pause is that I didn't sense that Jackie was working with Bluwii, which would mean that q isn't working with Bluwii, in which case, why wouldn't a mafia!q just let the sans vote go through. This is a big flaw, and the main reason I don't feel comfortable voting q anymore.]]
[[BLESS YOU FREE FOR JACKIEPOST SUMMARY AH]]
[[For what it's worth I'm pretty convinced bruh is town? The way she jumped on Jackie and Yellow's move off sans is not something I can really see as bussing. I think she just legit thought the wagons seemed town/town and voted her conscience i.e. someone else entirely, who had pinged her before. Every non-joke reads very sincere to me. I don't know, if she is scum she is very ballsy and successfully bamboozled me.]]