[Town victory] Vanilla Mafia!

[HelloYellow17]

[[So I know Free will likely post her thoughts eventually, and Phan probably will too. I think we should all put pressure on @TheGOAT to defend themselves today. They’re the ones we know the least about and at this point in the game, if they ARE town, we need all hands on deck.]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[So I know Free will likely post her thoughts eventually, and Phan probably will too. I think we should all put pressure on @TheGOAT to defend themselves today. They’re the ones we know the least about and at this point in the game, if they ARE town, we need all hands on deck.]]

[[Lmao they have five posts lkasdhfkjhsdkhjsdflkjasdhflkjhsd]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[True! And yeah frankly I don't care if who votes what at this point. In so far as I don't care if people vote early.

And yeah, we really need all our town here, power roles are really important >.<

Waiting for u, scum set ]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I think. THINK! logic says that Esp/G0at can't both be town. Probably? That adds up right?]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[I think. THINK! logic says that Esp/G0at can't both be town. Probably? That adds up right?]]

[[I'm honestly still struggling to see how you're so confident that the game is solved.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Here's why i think so.

Because I think it'd be stupid for G0at and Espy to contradict themselves if they're both mafia, since without a doubt if they were two mafia then Phant or Free has to be.

And neither of them are stupid. They would have coached Espy not to self contradict fellow scum if (Goat + Phan or Free) were all mafia. Basically it'd bevery silly forboth espy and g0at to be mafia and say something that contradicts.

Contrarily, If Goat is town... and {Phan/Free/Espy} are scum then why would they allow Espy to make bad claims like this, get sussed, and such. Remember, mafia can guranteed nighttalk and probably day talk too.

So actually Espy looks like the dumbest scum ever if they are scum. None of their moves make sense for scum I think because like... its really dumb.


They seem like a poor town player who was busy.

But I still need help from like Chibi and stuff to see if my logic holds]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[Here's why i think so.

Because I think it'd be stupid for G0at and Espy to contradict themselves if they're both mafia, since without a doubt if they were two mafia then Phant or Free has to be.

And neither of them are stupid. They would have coached Espy not to self contradict fellow scum if (Goat + Phan or Free) were all mafia. Basically it'd bevery silly forboth espy and g0at to be mafia and say something that contradicts.

Contrarily, If Goat is town... and {Phan/Free/Espy} are scum then why would they allow Espy to make bad claims like this, get sussed, and such. Remember, mafia can guranteed nighttalk and probably day talk too.

So actually Espy looks like the dumbest scum ever if they are scum. None of their moves make sense for scum I think because like... its really dumb.


They seem like a poor town player who was busy.

But I still need help from like Chibi and stuff to see if my logic holds]]

[[I don't mean to sound rude, but are you doin' alright over there? I think we're all a little too hype for Mafia rn. I had a very hard time following this, but I can see that it makes sense to you, if that makes sense?

Basically it'd be *very silly for *both espy and g0at to be mafia and say something that contradicts.

Okay, okay, I follow you now. One is exonerating the other, essentially. And you think that Espy wouldn't be playing the way they are if they were Mafia because they'd have the other two/four members coaching them. Is that correct?

I see your point that Espy making a fake hint based on another Mafia player's genuine hint would be pretty silly.]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

They seem like a poor town player who was busy.

[[These are my thoughts too. It’s a pretty big fumble to make as scum, especially if you have a whole team to collaborate with.

Okay, okay, I follow you now. One is exonerating the other, essentially. And you think that Espy wouldn't be playing the way they are if they were Mafia because they'd have the other two/four members coaching them. Is that correct?

I believe this is what Tetra’s saying, yes!]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[oh im jsut great hahhaaaa 🙃

[[I don't mean to sound rude, but are you doin' alright over there? I think we're all a little too hype for Mafia rn. I had a very hard time following this, but I can see that it makes sense to you, if that makes sense?

I am having fun though!! just bored tonight and this is the most active thing on here, and I like logic puzzles sometimes.

But yes, to your last point!

I see your point that Espy making a fake hint based on another Mafia player's genuine hint would be pretty silly.]]

So I actually think Espy is actually innocent, just busy irl! Their set of actions make a lot more sense for a busy town member.

if this is true then Free/Phan/Goat are all scum, phan and Free being incredible good stealth scummers, yes Chibi also says they couldn't read them.

Also uh. idk apologies if im super ramvbly or smth idk I am rather bored tonight and being here is very engaging]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

[[oh im jsut great hahhaaaa 🙃


I am having fun though!! just bored tonight and this is the most active thing on here, and I like logic puzzles sometimes.

But yes, to your last point!


So I actually think Espy is actually innocent, just busy irl! Their set of actions make a lot more sense for a busy town member.

if this is true then Free/Phan/Goat are all scum, phan and Free being incredible good stealth scummers, yes Chibi also says they couldn't read them.

Also uh. idk apologies if im super ramvbly or smth idk I am rather bored tonight and being here is very engaging]]

[[lol no worries, I’m also bored and am enjoying reading your theories! But biiig yikes is Free, Phan and Goat ARE all scum. Phan and Free have been spectacularly stealthy if that’s the case.]]

 

[Homestar!]

if this is true then Free/Phan/Goat are all scum, phan and Free being incredible good stealth scummers, yes Chibi also says they couldn't read them.

[[I'm gonna try walking my way through your logic (because I'm still not getting it so here we go Steele time to THINK

ACCORDING TO FLYG0N(?)
RED WHERE I DISAGREE

LEFT ALIVE:
TOWN:
Sind (Lover B1), Chibi (RC Town), Flyg0n (Lover A1), Abra (Lover A2), Homestar (Resident Dipshit), Persephone (Lover B2), Reme (Cleared by Wind), SparklingEspeon (RC absentee), Wes (Townread all to hell)

Which leaves:
SCUM:
TheGOAT (?????), Phan, Free

Also uh. idk apologies if im super ramvbly or smth idk I am rather bored tonight and being here is very engaging]]

Bahahaha no worries, wanted to make sure you were good hype and not bad hype :P ]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[And given our doctors playstyle appeared waffley and scummy to us I actually think its not impossible to see a version of this where Espy is just Town RC!

And perhaps Steven wasn't actually RC, they were either an actual Cop or someone with a hint. Maybe thats why they were killed even. Inke is very good at this I hear so if they loosely picked up on Steven being cop then thats why they offed him.

But the more we dig into this theory and decide if Espy is our town, the more certain we can be and the less possible the other scum can invent an excuse so please, by all means, tear holes into my logic!

[[lol no worries, I’m also bored and am enjoying reading your theories! But biiig yikes is Free, Phan and Goat ARE all scum. Phan and Free have been spectacularly stealthy if that’s the case.]]

Also given that both are very smart, what are the odds that they galaxy coached/risked that we'd find Espy innocent?

Is that reasonable? (i dont think so???)) rgh my brain is looping
]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[Worth noting: If this started as a six mafia game (which I have learned thru researching how to not suck is horrifyingly difficult for a 20 person pod), Chibi and Espy round off the six.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I'm gonna try walking my way through your logic (because I'm still not getting it so here we go Steele time to THINK

ACCORDING TO FLYG0N(?)
RED WHERE I DISAGREE

LEFT ALIVE:
TOWN:
Sind (Lover B1), Chibi (RC Town), Flyg0n (Lover A1), Abra (Lover A2), Homestar (Resident Dipshit), Persephone (Lover B2), Reme (Cleared by Wind), SparklingEspeon (RC absentee), Wes (Townread all to hell)

Which leaves:
SCUM:
TheGOAT (?????), Phan, Free


Bahahaha no worries, wanted to make sure you were good hype and not bad hype :P ]]

[[Are you saying maybe Chibi is scum RC/stealth town RC? Seems deeply unlikely but I also think the more ironclad we make a defense now the harder of a time mafia will have.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

@Dragonfree @Shiny Phantump.
I think one of you lot are scum. Any thoughts?

This really looks like you just want to kill people who haven’t put all their cards on the table. That’s an easy way to get out of suspecting anyone of lying, but it’s not actually going to help find out who is.

If you want my hint that badly I would very begrudgingly give it to you, but I think it’s more powerful kept secret. Secret pro-town information makes it harder for scum to lie, and we have precious little of it left, but my hint itself says very little.

 

[Flyg0n]

This really looks like you just want to kill people who haven’t put all their cards on the table. That’s an easy way to get out of suspecting anyone of lying, but it’s not actually going to help find out who is.

If you want my hint that badly I would very begrudgingly give it to you, but I think it’s more powerful kept secret. Secret pro-town information makes it harder for scum to lie, and we have precious little of it left, but my hint itself says very little.

[[I never asked you to reveal your hint. In fact, don't.

I want you to counter everything else we've been discussing]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Hints actually mean very little to me now, as both vanilla scum and town have them.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[So if we do somehow have a town vanilla with a hint left alive. Sure! keep it to yourself if it won't help!]]

 

[Homestar!]

This really looks like you just want to kill people who haven’t put all their cards on the table. That’s an easy way to get out of suspecting anyone of lying, but it’s not actually going to help find out who is.

If you want my hint that badly I would very begrudgingly give it to you, but I think it’s more powerful kept secret. Secret pro-town information makes it harder for scum to lie, and we have precious little of it left, but my hint itself says very little.

[[I personally think we have shifted out of the scumhunting phase and into the townhunting phase. Unfortunately, Flyg0n is lighting you up as scum. I say this because if you feel your hint can immediately help town (by damning a player or exonerating a player), I say spill the beans. But, if you feel you can actually utilize the hint on a later day (which we have precious few of) to hornswoggle a scum player, I say keep it secret.]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

And perhaps Steven wasn't actually RC, they were either an actual Cop or someone with a hint.

[[This is what’s throwing me. Why would town have two cops?? And I suppose my hint never said there COULDN’T be more than two, but it certainly seemed pretty clear-cut to me that there were two and only two.

I’m pretty convinced that Chibi is innocent, but can you share your observations as to why they would be innocent?

And given our doctors playstyle appeared waffley and scummy to us I actually think its not impossible to see a version of this where Espy is just Town RC!

Can you elaborate on this? Why would it be impossible?]]