[Town victory] Vanilla Mafia!

[Chibi Pika]

[[I don't think speculating about unusual possibilities we have no actual evidence for is helpful to town. It's sort of like playing chess on a randomiser and hoping it hits on the opponent's weaknesses. It is very likely we have a pair of lovers, and they are more likely to be town/town than town/scum, and scum/scum lovers aren't really a thing apparently. We have no way of knowing any of this for sure, and the further we get away from 'there is a pair of lovers' into 'there's a town/town pair and a town/scum pair' territory, the weaker the ground we're on is. Occam's Razor, people. Keep it simple, silly.]]

Ebony jerked her head toward Salem. "Yeah! What she said! Trying to guess a bunch of weird and crazy stuff that probably isn't true... I don't think that's a good idea! Maybe those things aren't impossible, but they're still probably not right."

[[ god damn. This is why I hate games like this. Got half of everybody voting for me even though I've been trying to prove my innocence.

"You haven't even done anything to prove your innocence though!" Ebony barked. "If you want to look like a good guy, you should try to help us find an actual bad guy instead of just getting mad about looking suspicious."

Being on a team meant trying to help your team beat the bad guys! That was just... that was just how these things went! That's what her trainer always said. And he cared about helping his team a lot!

"I don't even know for sure if you're a bad guy," she muttered. She still needed to think about what the fancy human had said. Jean seemed to have figured it out already. And Jean...

Jean seemed like a friend!

Ebony was still a bit nervous about being wrong about this for some reason.

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Typically, the absolute most scum you'll see in any setup, much less one with so many vanilla townies, is 1/3rd. 7/20 hits role madness levels of max scum, and is almost certainly not the case for this game where the town is much weaker.

I'll get me reads out before the end of the day, but I'm about to be busy for... an hour or so? So it'll be later than I'd prefer but it'll be there.]]

 

[AbraPunk]

"If you want to look like a good guy, you should try to help us find an actual bad guy

"And I have." Kent lazily pointed a finger (which was dripping with blood from his palm) towards Clovis. "That one, right there."

[[ 🧠 ]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

Which (un?)fortunately means there could be a goon-less Mafia. Just throwing that out there]]

"There's GOT to be normal goons!" Ebony insisted. "Otherwise the rolecop could know for sure that any normal guys with no powers were definitely good! That'd make them just as strong as a regular cop!"

 

[Sinderella]

"And I have." Kent lazily pointed a finger (which was dripping with blood from his palm) towards Clovis. "That one, right there."

Clovis's frown deepened. He needed smoke in his lungs, soon. "So convincing. What other genius remarks do you have on hand?"

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I present my final thoughts for the night:

Option 1: Sind is 100% truthfull and Abra is dangerous and not lover (dangerous to who? Mafia???)
Option 2: Sind is lying and trying to make us lynch the lover by claiming they know who is the lover
Option 3: Sind wants us to kill someone innocent because they know who is innocent somehow.

Option 1: We lynch Abra. Abra is lover. Two people die, the SK goes free, 2 more may die in the night (or SK holds off to hold back suspicion). 4 Deaths
Option 2: We lynch Abra. They're important to us or they're innocent. We may lose a key role, 3 deaths total, if SK kills in the night.
Option 3: We lynchAbra, they're SK or something scum, hooray, 1 in our favor. SK/Mafia might take2 in the night. 2 Deaths
Option 4: We lynch Sind. They're important to us or they're innocent. 3 deaths total, if SK kills in the night.
Option 5: We lynch Sind; they're SK or scum, hooray, 1 in our favor. SK/Mafia might take2 in the night. 2 Deaths

This is mostly as a breakdown for anyone interested.]]

[[My vote remains on Clovis/Sind]]

[Hm. Or Rolecop, Juggernaut, two goons, two lovers? that would balance it since one of them would be a free kill, no?]]

[[Just going back to these breakdowns, just cause.

Also don't see why everyone seems 100% convinced there cant be mafia lovers when 6 mafia, two of them lovers, two goons, and etc, would be pretty balanced. Right? Although at this point now we're discussing balance mechanics and not reads, urgh]]

 

[AbraPunk]

"So convincing. What other genius remarks do you have on hand?"

"...You're probably super insecure about yourself. Is that why you act like you're so high and mighty, huh?" He wheezed out a laugh. "Hehehe... I've been around enough different kinds of people to know what you are. You're nothing but a snake. You'll manipulate others to get what you want, and you won't have any remorse about it." He shrugged. "But maybe I'm wrong. I couldn't care less either way."

 

[Dragonfree]

Some weird voice was talking over Jean's head, and she didn't understand half of what it was saying. It thought some people might be bad guys? At least it thought Salem and Ebony and Hazel were all good. And Ebony called her a friend! She smiled and scratched her on the head.

The weird Pokémon, Kent, though, kept being mean and just saying everyone else was bad for voting for him, but didn't even give any reasons. Her dad always rolled his eyes when people couldn't give any real reasons for things, and talked about how they were hacks or full of hot air or brainwashed fuckers or scam artists trying to sell you their fucking book. (Did Kent have a book that he was selling?) "It's you! You're weird and you're bad!" Jean declared, pointing at him. Yes. She wasn't sure about all the rest, but he was definitely a bad guy.

 

[Sinderella]

"...You're probably super insecure about yourself. Is that why you act like you're so high and mighty, huh?" He wheezed out a laugh. "Hehehe... I've been around enough different kinds of people to know what you are. You're nothing but a snake. You'll manipulate others to get what you want, and you won't have any remorse about it."

He narrowed his eyes. "Right. Because...the millions of dollars I donated to combat homelessness in Kalos...the Pokemon conservation I'm up to my neck in...and my absolute dedication to small business ventures...really screams 'high and mighty' and 'snake.'"

He shrugged his shoulders. "I've got a solid read on you though, you're so tunnel-visioned and set on causing a ruckus that you really just try to hunt for the bad in people. So, really, shame on me for engaging."

He settled back against a rock. "Try defending yourself before coming after me. Until then, I'm going to tune you out, alright?"

 

[Dragonfree]

[[Hm. Or Rolecop, Juggernaut, two goons, two lovers? that would balance it since one of them would be a free kill, no?]]

[[Mmmm. Theoretically, but if there are mafia lovers, which I still think sounds kind of wacky, it's almost certain that that's the pair AbraPunk is part of (if she's a lover to begin with), so we should still go for AbraPunk.]]

 

[AbraPunk]

"It's you! You're weird and you're bad!" Jean declared, pointing at him. Yes. She wasn't sure about all the rest, but he was definitely a bad guy.

"Hey, I am weird, but I'm sure as hell not 'bad'. Not here, at least."

He narrowed his eyes. "Right. Because...the millions of dollars I donated to combat homelessness in Kalos...the Pokemon conservation I'm up to my neck in...and my absolute dedication to small business ventures...really screams 'high and mighty' and 'snake.'"

He shrugged his shoulders. "I've got a solid read on you though, you're so tunnel-visioned and set on causing a ruckus that you really just try to hunt for the bad in people. So, really, shame on me for engaging."

"I don't even know what the hell a 'pokemon' is. I mean, hey, we all come from different dimensions, so maybe you're good where you're from... but here? Nah, you're one of 'em for sure."

 

[Homestar!]

"There's GOT to be normal goons!" Ebony insisted. "Otherwise the rolecop could know for sure that any normal guys with no powers were definitely good! That'd make them just as strong as a regular cop!"

"That logic doesn't follow." Mike was quick on the draw, no longer burdened by the fascination of who or what he was talking to. "They could only act like that if they were dead certain there were no goons. We're not even vaguely certain there's no goons."

 

[Flyg0n]

[[On an only somewhat related note, I don't suppose anyone's done a vote roundup? Wind had half a one earlier. Might have to wait for Namo.

I still think 2 lovers theory holds water, and I'm honestly not 100% convinced of anyones innocence (obviously) but abra seems factually the most risky play. even if there is .02% chance they're town lover (unlikely, I admit, but risky anyway). heck, we're better abstaining maybe! Hm]]

Right. Because...the millions of dollars I donated to combat homelessness in Kalos...the Pokemon conservation I'm up to my neck in...and my absolute dedication to small business ventures...really screams 'high and mighty' and 'snake.'"

Hana rolled her eyes "Sounds more like someone trying to put on a good show, for all we know."

 

[AbraPunk]

[[ Readlist for now. Might be forgetting some.

Spoiler: readlist

TOWN
Hana
Wes
Steven


NEUTRAL
Jean
Ebony
Salem
Mike
Reme

SUS
Clovis
Hazel
Porygon
Altair



????
Bartholomew
Pixie
Astrid
the sylveon
Anti-Bravoman

]]

 

[Sinderella]

Hana rolled her eyes "Sounds more like someone trying to put on a good show, for all we know."

"I really don't know what I did to constitute such an attitude from you, child. But at the very least, I can say I didn't show up in cosplay."

 

[Sinderella]

[[ Readlist for now. Might be forgetting some.

Spoiler: readlist

TOWN
Hana
Wes
Steven


NEUTRAL
Jean
Ebony
Salem
Mike
Reme

SUS
Clovis
Hazel
Porygon
Altair



????
Bartholomew
Pixie
Astrid
the sylveon
Anti-Bravoman

]]

[[A reasoning would be nice?]]

 

[AbraPunk]

[A reasoning would be nice?]]

[[ For yourself specifically? It's self-explanatory. ]]

 

[AbraPunk]

"Sounds more like someone trying to put on a good show, for all we know."

"Yeah."

"I really don't know what I did to constitute such an attitude from you, child. But at the very least, I can say I didn't show up in cosplay."

"You unironically called someone 'child'. Either you're into that daddy shit, or you're really hamming it up out here."

He sighed. "I dunno. But I'm not talking to anyone anymore." He then summoned a... large cube around himself. It could not be seen through. Some music could be faintly heard through it.

 

[Flyg0n]

"I really don't know what I did to constitute such an attitude from you, child. But at the very least, I can say I didn't show up in cosplay."

Hana laughed. "Says the one literally fulfilling a stereotype, in your dime a dozen rich boy suit. What, did you spend all your money and forget to buy imagination?" She shook her head to herself. "Anyways I'll be over here, watching the rest of you fight it out."

 

[Sinderella]

Hana laughed. "Says the one literally fulfilling a stereotype, in your dime a dozen rich boy suit. What, did you spend all your money and forget to buy imagination?"

"Sunk it all into my figure skating medals, but let me know when you think of something better to make fun of me for."

He folded his arms behind his head. "I'll be here if anybody wants to insult me, unprovoked. I can do this all day."