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Seventh Anniversary Mafia

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[[Although... I did also ask if ghost scum players stay in scum's night chat and the answer is yes they do. I don't know what's stopping them from just saying what they know then other than self policing?

Honestly, the simplest answer is we don't have a Spy and that's probably worth going with at this point bc I've spun myself into knots otherwise.]]
 

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"Annoying, stupid. Rocky flash cards say Spy only get information at day start. Would not have time to tell Bad guy team what they know if eliminated same day..."

[[My understanding is that the Spy would get information N0 and then discuss it with their team N1 whether they're dead or not.]]
 

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[[This is Rocky being frustrated, not calling Mal stupid. I did confirm with Inke order of operations here. If we got rid of the Spy D1, they would not have had the opportunity to privately tell the scum team their info. So, irritatingly, both Watt and Rui mechanically are not 100% clear of being the Spy.]]
[[Ahaahha if we're in the dark timeline where Spy!Wind threw themselves on a virgin to cement the idea of being Town and protect the idea of a scumpair im gonna scream

(I do not believe this but it would be hysterical)]]
 

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Oscar nodded to Malachai. "I appreciate your concern. However, I am fully aware of the rules of this game. In fact, while I may only join now, I have been spectating since it's beginning!"

Oscar's confidence felt hollow without Benigno by his side to give it substance. But this group couldn't know that. Just speak with conviction: the game is close to solved by this point anyway.

The great detective held his head high and addressed the horse next. "And of course I am innocent! I am the esteemed, Great Detective Oscar! And I am here to utilize my vaunted deductive reasoning skills to relieve you all of the burden of solving this mystery!"

[[Hi, I'm here to sub in for Zdr and save the game from an EoL scenario! No need to onboard me, as Oscar said, I've been spectating this game from the beginning and am already like, super invested lol. To just run through my suspicion table real quick:

Drake, Odette, and Watt are confirmed Town, Rocky may as well be confirmed Butler, so that just leaves...
Hareta, now Oscar (me!)I was already under the impression they were Hard Town while spectating, and it goes without saying that impression hasn't changed! The Washerwoman claim was too strong and nothing about their behavior felt evil. Since I didn't suspect them to begin with, when I speak, I am speaking from the perspective I possessed as a spectator watching the game, and in regards to their innocence, I can only hope that everyone can continue to trust precedent on this.
Morgan (Shiny Phantump)Hard Town. Frankly, the only way I see Morgan possibly being evil is if she's the demon with Madeline as Poisoner, and there's so much wrong with even that. Their play has been consistently Town even in situations where playing town would be bad for mafia (such as breaking the tie yesterday). I won't discount the possibility, I just feel like the stars would have to be aligned to make it true, starting with Watt's info being wrong and getting crazier from there.
Drake (Flygon) and Rui (HellowYellowOne is scum. Like everyone else, I believe our first dead mafia is either Drake or Rui. I think they're both equally likely, and at this point in the game I also don't think it matters which one it is anymore (except for arguing, like, very specific scenarios. They're mostly interchangeable). Drake being evil opens up the possibility for Drunk!Rui, but that's basically the only difference outside of analyzing their plays and trying to figure out likelihoods from that. Personally I have more sus on Drake then Rui, Rui hasn't really pinged to me as super evil so far, but I'm not discounting it if I think it makes more sense.
Malachai (uA)Neutral. I was pretty convinced of their guilt Day 2 but the recent read by the horses changed things. I think voting them out actually worked out in town's favor overall, since that move by Morgan plus subsequent call from Spectrier helped to limit the possibility space for scum teams (which we wouldn't have gotten if Chibi had died). Now, there are still a few possibilities for evil!Malachai, but their guilt is much less likely overall and hinges on things like drunk!Spectrier. And if they are evil, well, they're dead lol.
Spectrier (Chibi Pika)Most likely scum. The only likely scenario where they aren't scum is if they're the drunk. But since all the most likely scum teams at this point include them, I kind of have to assume their guilt. I definitely don't think they're the demon, though. If Spectrier is the demon, then Morgan wasn't poisoned. But if Morgan wasn't poisoned, then Elygem must have been. But if Elygem was poisoned, then Madeline is the Poisoner, and just poisoned Elygem to point a finger at herself. Which isn't an invalid play if you're just trying to prolong the game, but it would certainly be something! And we're voting Chibi out regardless, so.
Madeline (Persephone) and Elygem (Aer)One is the demon. I agree with everyone on this, it seems pretty clear at this point. Madeline has gotten pinged as evil quite a few times, and obviously that would make most sense if she is, though it would require a poisoner to have been in play alongside her for most of the game. Personally, I think Elygem is more likely, just because it seems... neater, I guess? There were a few suspicious plays, but what it really comes down to is that the possible scum teams with a Demon!Elygem in it just make more intuitive sense to me with the way the game has been played than the ones that don't. Will probably elaborate later but am tired and I mostly just need to get this post out to get my foot in the door and indicate where I lean rn.

[[Also I'd like to say, I had been planning to come in and point out that if we assume Elygem is the demon, the poisoner is most likely dead, but it looks like Phan beat me to the punch, I took waaaay too long to make this post lol. Narrowing the scum teams down was actually most of what I was thinking about offering here, so I'd just like to corroborate those claims and say that that I think Demon!Maddie/Poisoner!Spectrier/Who!Cares and Demon!Elygem/SW!Spectrier/Dead!Poisoner are the most likely scum teams, with most other possibilities relying on ambiguity from things like whoever the drunk is, or unlikelihoods like Elygem and Madeline being on a team together.]]

[[To comment on what the GM just said, if drunk's info could be entirely random, that makes Town!Chibi substantially less likely, right? If we assume Chibi is innocent but not drunk, off the top of my head that would only leave Demon!Elygem/Morgan, Demon!Elygem/Madeline, and Demon!Morgan/Madeline as valid scum pairs, I think. All of which are tough to argue for.]]
"Oouh, amaze amaze amaze. Now do puppet show! Yes yes puppet show to make big plan, save game."

[[Hello and welcome to the ~~madness~~game! Glad to have you. I may still be drinking the chibi koolaid for now but this is very helpful for wrapping my head around other pairs/scenarios.

Having a fresh perspective helps even if the conclusions aren't new.]]
 

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You seem very convinced then that we have eliminated two scum. Who do you think they are, then? Do you still stand by a Jackie/Tetra scumteam even with your read on Jackie?

[[I was growing increasingly more confident of Jackie/Tetra toward the end of yesterday, and today basically upended everything. From where I'm sitting, the only way they even can be innocent is if (1) you were evil instead, or (2) there are 2 scum remaining and it's Morgan/Elgyem or Madeline/Elgyem, and I honestly can't decide which scenario I like less. That's why I have so little faith in my Undertaker reads right now; I don't think it's even possible for all three of the results I've gotten to be correct, but I also don't see why the scumteam would have wasted their time poisoning me on any of the nights when no matter what, the result was gonna be under heavy doubt. It'd be a major waste of poison on their act.]]

My gut says it has to be between Madeline or Elgyem. I can’t for the life of me envision two living scum left between Elgyem, Madeline, or Morgan. (As in, I can’t picture any of them as scum buddies from their play.)

Glastrier tapped an icy hoof to the ground. "I am in agreement on this."
 

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Oscar nodded to Malachai. "I appreciate your concern. However, I am fully aware of the rules of this game. In fact, while I may only join now, I have been spectating since it's beginning!"
Drake's nose twitched at the appearance of the dog and he scurried a safe distance away. To observe, of course, not because he was afraid of a dog. "Hey this guys sounds suspicious to me! He's been watching us? We gotta get rid of him!"

[[also seconding, thanks jfought!! delightful to have you on board and locked in. The above is just a dash of silly flavor, I am not in fact proposing you are scum eheheh (but man that'd be so funny I wouldnt even care if you won)]]
 

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At this point, Rocky began to bang his carapace off the closest tree root repeatedly.

"Grumpy, angry, stupid but Rocky not need sleep. Rocky need to stop chasing variables, too many, too confusing. Bad bad bad."

A dejected, rattling sigh.

"If this what Phase Change Spectrier want, then Rocky will go along."

[[At this point I've run myself in circles enough that I need to stick to my original YOLO guns and just pick something.

I can't figure out any reason scum!Chibi would be so willing to give up today other than their actual remaining scum partner is Phan and because we're all looking at Perse or aer, it's kind of a shoe in to get to EoL tomorrow. So barring that, I guess the below scenario is where we're at:

From where I'm standing, after Chibi is out today, it's a coin-flip between Perse and aer tomorrow, since most folks are convinced Phan is townlock. (I'm not convinced of townlocking anyone left tbqh, but that's also because my paranoia goes up to 11 whenever we play Mafia. So Phan if you're not town, GG).

My guess is I'm gone tonight regardless, but that's neither here nor there since ghost votes will probably have to be in play tomorrow b/c it's endgame at that point. And I won't even have to wait for my voting buddy, either!]]

Vote Spectrier @Inkedust
 

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[[Probably gonna hold off on using my ghost vote today because it feels unnecessary, the votes are pretty firm I think. On the increasingly slim chance that Chibi isn’t scum and there are 2 scum left, GG I guess 😂 gotta say the scum team has done a bang up job this game, whoever they are.

Will save my vote for next phase! Maybe I’ll try to stick with RP only posts from here on out because I’ve done so very little and that’s a shame. :(

Also: welcome, @JFought ! Really impressed with your ability to jump in so late and contribute so well! That’s a rare find for games such as mafia/BotC. Based as heck.]]
 

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[[Can we have a vote tally?]]

[[Also I'm not sure why we'd vote for aer/JFought, I thought we were firm on them being Washerwoman. Elgyem is my preferred next target after spooky honse.]]
 

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[[Although to be clear if Elegym is Demon then my (and JFought's) current understanding appears to be that Chibi is Scarlet Woman which'd render the whole voting Elegym first gambit pretty redundant, so I'm firm on Honse first. Wish SW was disabled at ELo but oh well.]]

heat wave make brain not work
[[Sympathies. Heat waves suck ass.]]
 

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"If you believe that we are at ELO, and you actually believe I am the demon, then you should not be taking issue with my pact!"
Drake bared his incisors at the (much) larger icy horse. "I got no problem with your crazy 'pact'. As long as nobody else falls for your schemes."

[[To address this nonsense though, keep your pact. You and Phan collabed that yesterday after Jackie dying. Given the behaviour so far I'm believe you're hoping to make yourself appear so towny enough that nobody will actually want to vote for you, and at this stage of the game with all the sus, the last gambit you and Phan have left is this, since you're the demon. All you can do is desperately claw for drunkenness/self vote and say you're town. Something yellow coveniently defends. Which hey!! You played a great game. Of that I commend you.
Gotta give credit for the gambit, I admit, incredibly risky but admirable. Maybe you lied to provoke me? or just discredit me idk, but you guys did good, I really wasnt thinking scum rui until late. I admit i guess there's a world in which I guess you're not the demon, and Phan is? And you're a poisoner..?. Which would leave the only explanation that Perse was poisoned and luck was on phans side. All of Phan reads are easy enough to fake.
Cause it aint... 'Phan is a scarlet woman hoping to bus you and giving weird reads to towncoast ??'; that'd mean poisoner is already dead. Either way it being you/phan means not mal and not perse. Even if I believed your drunk claim, then I am innocent, and you're wrong, and ig I was wrong about Town!Jackie who is scum!jackie. That leaves Jackie and Aer/Perse gunning for each other, Jackie/yellow and what?? Phan? idk.
So no, you're still demon and I don't buy the other possibilities. Your gambit reeks of desperation with the noose closing in on you. Your gambit will backfire. It is backfiring. The dying throes of a dying demon. horse. gg]]

{[Guys I solved it, its the Herdier, Sind and Rocky, they are all collabing to confuse us and they killed sind and faked being virgin! Demon Rocky played us all(/jjjjj)

Anyways! Its family dinner time now for the holiday. I may not be back for hours or even before EOD but we GL! Silly flavor below.]]

Drake puffed up his chest. "I'm glad we solved this and you all listened to reason." 'Reason', of course, being him.
 

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[[heat wave make brain not work]]
[[Oof, so sorry to hear. I was about to say Im sure nobody actually voted for Jfought but Phan cleared that up.

Hoping things cool down!]]
 

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[[Can I get the rundown on why we find Elgyem more suspicious than Madeline? I’m not totally following the line of thinking there and my brain is fried from like 2 hours of sleep. 😅 I’m not opposed to voting for either at this point, I just don’t totally get why people are glossing over how Madeline got so many red checks on her in short order. Even with Drunk and/or poison in play, isn’t that a concerning pattern?]]
 

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Maybe I’ll try to stick with RP only posts from here on out because I’ve done so very little and that’s a shame. :(
[[:mewlulz:I don't think a single of these games has ever not devolved into ooc madness, hahaha

Perhaps one day... ]]
 

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Oscar's confidence felt hollow without Benigno by his side to give it substance. But this group couldn't know that. Just speak with conviction: the game is close to solved by this point anyway.

The great detective held his head high and addressed the horse next. "And of course I am innocent! I am the esteemed, Great Detective Oscar! And I am here to utilize my vaunted deductive reasoning skills to relieve you all of the burden of solving this mystery!"

[[Also I'd like to say, I had been planning to come in and point out that if we assume Elygem is the demon, the poisoner is most likely dead, but it looks like Phan beat me to the punch, I took waaaay too long to make this post lol. Narrowing the scum teams down was actually most of what I was thinking about offering here, so I'd just like to corroborate those claims and say that that I think Demon!Maddie/Poisoner!Spectrier/Who!Cares and Demon!Elygem/SW!Spectrier/Dead!Poisoner are the most likely scum teams, with most other possibilities relying on ambiguity from things like whoever the drunk is, or unlikelihoods like Elygem and Madeline being on a team together.]]
Morgan grinned at the new arrival. "Ooh, I like this dog. And not just because he agrees with me~"

That much was true. He had a conviction and a dedication to the way he presented himself that she simply didn't believe existed outside personas. Which made him a bird of a feather, in a way. Better than a bleeding heart and more helpful than the turtle.

Can I get the rundown on why we find Elgyem more suspicious than Madeline? I’m not totally following the line of thinking there and my brain is fried from like 2 hours of sleep. 😅 I’m not opposed to voting for either at this point, I just don’t totally get why people are glossing over how Madeline got so many red checks on her in short order. Even with Drunk and/or poison in play, isn’t that a concerning pattern?
"Admittedly, I'm in the same boat. Don't get me wrong, I'm ambivalent on which one is evil. Wish I wasn't, but what can a poor gal do? If nothing else, I do think we really ought to be investigating the possibility of Madeline being the demon more heavily. I guess it's getting late, and it's not pertinent to the vote tonight, so it's fine to deal with that tomorrow."
 

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N0
Rui:
One of Hareta and Watt is the Scarlet Woman (poisoned)
Elgyem:
Both Rui and Hareta registered as Good.
Morgan: One of Madeline and Watt registered as Demon.

N1
Elgyem:
One of Madeline and Hareta registered as Evil.
Morgan: Neither Rocky nor Madeline registered as Demon. (poison explains the discrepancy with N0?)

N2
Elgyem:
Both Madeline and Hareta registered as Good (poison explains the discrepancy with N1?)
Morgan: Neither Drake nor Spectrier registered as Demon.

N3
Elgyem:
One of Madeline and Hareta registered as Evil.
Morgan: One of Elgyem and Spectrier registered as Demon. (see below)
Dave frowned. “Thinking about evil Elgyem does make me wonder what actually happened with the mafia’s poison in that scenario. Elgyem’s reads in that case are designed to confuse us about poisoning, but surely they must’ve actually poisoned somebody each night. N0 it could’ve been Rui, N1 it’s plausibly not Morgan since her softclaim was very soft, but at least N2 and N3 it’d probably be Morgan unless the poisoner is dead, right?

“Also, the game master here said misleading is the same as random. So does that mean if someone’s poisoned their result might also be correct, by chance? In that case, Morgan’s results just don’t mean anything; at most maybe N0 and N1, but those are also contradictory unless Watt was the false positive.

“If Madeline’s evil instead, then the mafia has to have left Elgyem alone N1 and poisoned Morgan instead, then poisoned Elgyem N2, then once again left Elgyem alone N3 and poisoned Morgan. And they’d have to have poisoned Morgan N3, because if the poisoner were dead, then Morgan’s unpoisoned result from N2 where Spectrier isn’t Demon contradicts her also unpoisoned result from N3 where either Elgyem or Spectrier is Demon, because in this scenario we’re assuming Elgyem is legit. I still don’t know why they would do this, if Madeline is Demon and they could easily have stopped letting Elgyem continue to get more incriminating reads on her.

“So all in all I think it’s basically got to be Elgyem. Either that or someone’s playing very weirdly or someone’s really fucking bamboozling us. Eliminating the horses first makes sense even if they’re probably not the Demon, though, because I don’t think I can see a scenario where they’re not evil at this point.”
 
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