AbraPunk
Cosmic Guardian
[[ THANK you. Sheesh lmao people be going galaxy-brain for d1 ]]
unrepentantAuthor
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[[I can't help but be reminded of 2nd Anni Mafia, where town sabotaged itself by giving away info about power roles too early and mislynched people for being confused or aggro. Don't like that it's happening again here even after myself and several other players have pointed out that it's happening. Still not getting a scumread on Tetra, but I will become suspicious if she keeps tunnelling. I will shortly be examining the evidence again to try and determine a proper read on Abra and, if they seem innocent, who seems least innocent to Sacrifice instead. Meanwhile, I really don't think Homestar is scum, I just think he's been misplaying.]]
Equitial
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[[
so, the thread is moving very quickly and, unfortunately, I woke up with a pretty bad migraine. I do have some reads I could share with the disclaimer that they're outdated, but I might not be able to keep up to get a vote in. We'll see how I'm doing at the end of the day; in the meantime, Bartholomew, please play Despacito
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so, the thread is moving very quickly and, unfortunately, I woke up with a pretty bad migraine. I do have some reads I could share with the disclaimer that they're outdated, but I might not be able to keep up to get a vote in. We'll see how I'm doing at the end of the day; in the meantime, Bartholomew, please play Despacito
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Flyg0n
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[[There's definitely not any town/scum lovers that I believe. I'll wait a little bit and see how the vote goes, but I for one do not get a scum read from abra. For now my vote stays unchanged from my prior statement. I think we should be wary of blindly trusting almost any vanilla's hint claims though.]]
unrepentantAuthor
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[[I really do want you to admit that a town power role pretending to be vanilla to stay safe might get caught in a lie by not having an Informed tidbit, whereas this will never ever happen to a mafia player.]]
Flyg0n
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[[What I'm saying is theoretically, anyone could make up a hint. And we're playing with beginners. We've already seen one massive bad gambit. I don't think saying 'xyz play' is obviously bad is... fair. Because people have already done bad plays. Someone could fabricate a hint, right? That's what my point is.]]
AbraPunk
Cosmic Guardian
[[ this is supposed to be more low-key than the previous games? 😰 so far it seems more complicated ]]
unrepentantAuthor
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[[Tetra, I'm not convinced you understand what I'm arguing. I'm saying that it wasn't inherently sus to claim to be vanilla uninformed before we knew all vanillas were informed, and it's not inherently sus now to claim to be vanilla informed and then be revealed as having invented a fake tidbit. Because town doctor/cop are motivated to lie about this to stay safe from Mafia. And the Mafia had 24 hours to go over their collection of tidbits. You see what I'm getting at, right?]]
[[Yeah, this isn't more complicated than five doctors with heal clash and a bus driver and a traitor and an arsonist. But people are making it more complicated than it needs to be.]]
[[Yeah, this isn't more complicated than five doctors with heal clash and a bus driver and a traitor and an arsonist. But people are making it more complicated than it needs to be.]]
Flyg0n
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Hana ran her hands through her hair. "Okay okay. Let's all take a breath, and try something. A thought experiment, or something, if you will."
She began to pace. "Let's assume, for a moment, we're really all beginners. Kent potentially jumps the gun and implies he's lover. Maybe he's right. Much much later, that guy," she jabbed a finger at Clovis, "claims he knows who the lovers are. Some of us believe her, some of us think its odd. But you," she nodded at the strange Purrloin-person "make a decent point. Lying about something like that would be silly."
Hana paused and took a deep breath. "If we assume neither was lying... And there's twenty of us total... There's two lover pairs. Kent's town and there's a mafia lover pair."
She folded her hands to focus on everyone. "Now, I'm not saying this is true, but it would explain some of the odd inconsistencies, no? Either that or Clovis there made a bad gambit and is lying, or Kent is. But the point of this experiment was to say there might be more at play."
[[I think I see your point? But I also think you're assuming people here are uh.... more experienced than they are, and would know not to knot themselves up. Dumb plays can be made. have been. Even Mafia can mess up if they don't know what they're doing, right?]]
She began to pace. "Let's assume, for a moment, we're really all beginners. Kent potentially jumps the gun and implies he's lover. Maybe he's right. Much much later, that guy," she jabbed a finger at Clovis, "claims he knows who the lovers are. Some of us believe her, some of us think its odd. But you," she nodded at the strange Purrloin-person "make a decent point. Lying about something like that would be silly."
Hana paused and took a deep breath. "If we assume neither was lying... And there's twenty of us total... There's two lover pairs. Kent's town and there's a mafia lover pair."
She folded her hands to focus on everyone. "Now, I'm not saying this is true, but it would explain some of the odd inconsistencies, no? Either that or Clovis there made a bad gambit and is lying, or Kent is. But the point of this experiment was to say there might be more at play."
[[I think I see your point? But I also think you're assuming people here are uh.... more experienced than they are, and would know not to knot themselves up. Dumb plays can be made. have been. Even Mafia can mess up if they don't know what they're doing, right?]]
Shiny Phantump
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"If that is true, and the pretty boy is getting this information from the one place he could be getting it, than he is our friend and the ugly ragdoll puppet is the evil lover anyways. Unless he is being dumb, and I don't think he's one of the people doing that."
[[All right, so. It's hard to discuss the current situation given what's going on here, but I promise you, Tetra/Yellow, we're not talking out of our asses.
It is possible that Sind is telling the truth and AbraPunk is still lover. It is also possible that AbraPunk is telling the truth and Sind isn't. But for several reasons I doubt this; I think mafia lovers are extremely unlikely to be a thing, and revealing aspects of Sind's previous actions corroborate her story, so long as you're picking up what the story is.
I think one of the most interesting things to analyze about the AbraPunk/Homestar debacle is that, assuming Homestar is telling the truth about the bulletproof gambit, the mafia probably would have assumed that he was legitimately the town rolecop and had a legitimate serial killer check on AbraPunk, unless AbraPunk was mafia. In either case, the mafia, in that situation, would have a vested interest in going for the Homestar train over the AbraPunk train, once there were doubts about Homestar to speak of, while up to that point probably acting in favor of eliminating AbraPunk (either because they assume she's legitimately the serial killer and want her gone, or because if AbraPunk gets lynched and turns out to be scum, which seems very likely when there's an apparent redcheck on her, you really don't want to have been defending her the whole time for nebulous reasons). (If Abra is the serial killer, they want them both gone, but if there's a legitimate claimed rolecop who just caught genuine scum, they will probably be targeted by doctors if they survive the day and require a juggernaut kill, whereas the mafia would merrily be able to nightkill presumed serial killer AbraPunk after eliminating Homestar.)
I don't think that Tetra casting suspicion on Homestar almost immediately is suspicious; I'm pretty sure I know why, and I think it'd be a super bold move for the mafia to immediately seize on a claimed power role instead of the scum they're claiming to have caught. Initially people were skeptical of Tetra's suspicions and I doubt mafia would have boldly chipped in to agree at that stage. Assuming my notes are right, Chibi was one of the first people to voice agreement with Tetra's suspicion of Homestar, then Inkedust chimed in to say they were both suspicious in a bit of a waffly way. I don't think Chibi comes off badly there by being the first person to decisively agree with what at first glance seems like pretty aggressive tunneling; Inkedust looks a bit worse, possibly testing the waters on agreeing with the possibility and seeing if anything comes of it while still hedging on it? Then things went on for a while with people mostly voting AbraPunk. Eventually Persephone unvotes AbraPunk "until I have more time to think about this", Sinderella says she's 50/50 on voting either of them, but overall people are still on AbraPunk.
Then Shiny Phantump rereads Tetra's early bit about the serial killer supposedly showing up as vanilla to a rolecop, which had originally been kind of dismissed, and switches to Homestar on that basis. At this point most everyone else (except Tetra and Chibi) has been very hedgy about the possibility and not actually placing a vote for Homestar, so this also strikes me as something that'd be a pretty bold move for scum. On the other hand, shortly afterwards Persephone switched to Homestar, then Sinderella although she unvotes soon afterwards, then HelloYellow17. At this point unrepentantAuthor pushes back on the Homestar train, which I think is a very towny move at this stage, pointing out we don't necessarily know how it's being GMed. windskull agrees with that but still maintains suspicion of Homestar, holding off on changing her vote while implying she might.
What I'm all in all getting from this progression is a slight side-eye on Inkedust, Persephone, HelloYellow17 and maybe windskull? Sinderella looks fairly bad off this too but the current debacle has me convinced she must be town regardless. Obviously being suspicious of Homestar in and of itself doesn't mean you're mafia; there were good reasons. But it was exactly the sort of vote train that I think the mafia would have wanted to encourage, without taking too aggressive a part in pushing it along.
Other vague suspicions: Equitial has been contributing essentially nothing, which I found surprising given his experience, although he did stick firmly with AbraPunk throughout, which might be somewhat to his credit (although a smart mafia would avoid all jumping on a train they want to push along anyway). AbraPunk looks quite bad if I believe Sinderella, which for the moment I do. TheGOAT has posted a few times but literally the only game-relevant contribution in it was just randomly coming in to immediately claim vanilla town? Which may just be a newbie move but strikes me as not really trying to help, especially given how much discussion had been going on at the time he posted it. Bluwiikoon has been a lot of nothing gameplay-wise, too, despite making a bunch of posts, although it breaks my heart to suspect poryfriend in any way. (I do think Homestar's logic for suspecting him is total nonsense, though - if anything, if one was going to make night action decisions based on RP, I'd think one would make them in-character decisions, rather than going out of one's way to make them out of character on some wild assumption that people would be convinced of the reverse. Like, last game I picked my largely arbitrary N0 target based on what was in character. It would never have occurred to me to galaxy brain that people would assume that for some reason and go for something else.)
My overall readlist at the moment:
Definitely town
Hana (assuming what I've been picking up on is correct, and I'm pretty sure it is)
Salem (strongly town reaction to the Mike train)
Probably town
Hazel (helpful, bold)
Ebony (again, helpful and bold, though the dogposting obscures the reasoning a bit)
Mike (bulletproof claim just makes significantly more sense to me than any version where he's mafia)
Clovis (again, I'm pretty convinced here)
Null
Reme
Sparkleglimmer
Steven
Vaguely suspicious
Altair
Astrid
BARTHOLOMEW
Pixie
Porygon
Wes
Anti
Pretty suspicious
Kent
Vote: Kent]]
It is possible that Sind is telling the truth and AbraPunk is still lover. It is also possible that AbraPunk is telling the truth and Sind isn't. But for several reasons I doubt this; I think mafia lovers are extremely unlikely to be a thing, and revealing aspects of Sind's previous actions corroborate her story, so long as you're picking up what the story is.
I think one of the most interesting things to analyze about the AbraPunk/Homestar debacle is that, assuming Homestar is telling the truth about the bulletproof gambit, the mafia probably would have assumed that he was legitimately the town rolecop and had a legitimate serial killer check on AbraPunk, unless AbraPunk was mafia. In either case, the mafia, in that situation, would have a vested interest in going for the Homestar train over the AbraPunk train, once there were doubts about Homestar to speak of, while up to that point probably acting in favor of eliminating AbraPunk (either because they assume she's legitimately the serial killer and want her gone, or because if AbraPunk gets lynched and turns out to be scum, which seems very likely when there's an apparent redcheck on her, you really don't want to have been defending her the whole time for nebulous reasons). (If Abra is the serial killer, they want them both gone, but if there's a legitimate claimed rolecop who just caught genuine scum, they will probably be targeted by doctors if they survive the day and require a juggernaut kill, whereas the mafia would merrily be able to nightkill presumed serial killer AbraPunk after eliminating Homestar.)
I don't think that Tetra casting suspicion on Homestar almost immediately is suspicious; I'm pretty sure I know why, and I think it'd be a super bold move for the mafia to immediately seize on a claimed power role instead of the scum they're claiming to have caught. Initially people were skeptical of Tetra's suspicions and I doubt mafia would have boldly chipped in to agree at that stage. Assuming my notes are right, Chibi was one of the first people to voice agreement with Tetra's suspicion of Homestar, then Inkedust chimed in to say they were both suspicious in a bit of a waffly way. I don't think Chibi comes off badly there by being the first person to decisively agree with what at first glance seems like pretty aggressive tunneling; Inkedust looks a bit worse, possibly testing the waters on agreeing with the possibility and seeing if anything comes of it while still hedging on it? Then things went on for a while with people mostly voting AbraPunk. Eventually Persephone unvotes AbraPunk "until I have more time to think about this", Sinderella says she's 50/50 on voting either of them, but overall people are still on AbraPunk.
Then Shiny Phantump rereads Tetra's early bit about the serial killer supposedly showing up as vanilla to a rolecop, which had originally been kind of dismissed, and switches to Homestar on that basis. At this point most everyone else (except Tetra and Chibi) has been very hedgy about the possibility and not actually placing a vote for Homestar, so this also strikes me as something that'd be a pretty bold move for scum. On the other hand, shortly afterwards Persephone switched to Homestar, then Sinderella although she unvotes soon afterwards, then HelloYellow17. At this point unrepentantAuthor pushes back on the Homestar train, which I think is a very towny move at this stage, pointing out we don't necessarily know how it's being GMed. windskull agrees with that but still maintains suspicion of Homestar, holding off on changing her vote while implying she might.
What I'm all in all getting from this progression is a slight side-eye on Inkedust, Persephone, HelloYellow17 and maybe windskull? Sinderella looks fairly bad off this too but the current debacle has me convinced she must be town regardless. Obviously being suspicious of Homestar in and of itself doesn't mean you're mafia; there were good reasons. But it was exactly the sort of vote train that I think the mafia would have wanted to encourage, without taking too aggressive a part in pushing it along.
Other vague suspicions: Equitial has been contributing essentially nothing, which I found surprising given his experience, although he did stick firmly with AbraPunk throughout, which might be somewhat to his credit (although a smart mafia would avoid all jumping on a train they want to push along anyway). AbraPunk looks quite bad if I believe Sinderella, which for the moment I do. TheGOAT has posted a few times but literally the only game-relevant contribution in it was just randomly coming in to immediately claim vanilla town? Which may just be a newbie move but strikes me as not really trying to help, especially given how much discussion had been going on at the time he posted it. Bluwiikoon has been a lot of nothing gameplay-wise, too, despite making a bunch of posts, although it breaks my heart to suspect poryfriend in any way. (I do think Homestar's logic for suspecting him is total nonsense, though - if anything, if one was going to make night action decisions based on RP, I'd think one would make them in-character decisions, rather than going out of one's way to make them out of character on some wild assumption that people would be convinced of the reverse. Like, last game I picked my largely arbitrary N0 target based on what was in character. It would never have occurred to me to galaxy brain that people would assume that for some reason and go for something else.)
My overall readlist at the moment:
Definitely town
Hana (assuming what I've been picking up on is correct, and I'm pretty sure it is)
Salem (strongly town reaction to the Mike train)
Probably town
Hazel (helpful, bold)
Ebony (again, helpful and bold, though the dogposting obscures the reasoning a bit)
Mike (bulletproof claim just makes significantly more sense to me than any version where he's mafia)
Clovis (again, I'm pretty convinced here)
Null
Reme
Sparkleglimmer
Steven
Vaguely suspicious
Altair
Astrid
BARTHOLOMEW
Pixie
Porygon
Wes
Anti
Pretty suspicious
Kent
Vote: Kent]]
AbraPunk
Cosmic Guardian
[[ god damn. This is why I hate games like this. Got half of everybody voting for me even though I've been trying to prove my innocence. 🤔
Whatever, then. Vote for me and see how wrong you are. ]]
Whatever, then. Vote for me and see how wrong you are. ]]
Flyg0n
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[[I will wait for the review roundup Namo will hopefully make before changing my vote, but.
But oh well! Since all of you are so certain there's NOT two lovers, Sind Vote stays for now.
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I'm not either.
But oh well! Since all of you are so certain there's NOT two lovers, Sind Vote stays for now.
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[[So this is going to be both incomplete and messy because I'm literally about to walk out the door for work and I won't have time to finish what I started. But I started to work on a vote audit. I wanted to cover the whole day, but only had enough time to cover from the time Homestar initially claims (role)cop up until his bullet proof claim. Whether or not he or abra is town, I'm certain that some of the people that voted up until this point are mafia for obvious reasons.
Homestar makes his cop fakeclaim, voting for Abra: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40071
I ask for clarification of whether he's claiming rolecop or cop: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40081
Homestar clarifies Role cop: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40083
Phant votes for Kent: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40084
Tetra is suspicious of Phant and Homestar, but doesn't vote at this time while trying to work out stuff in her head, I think?: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40087
Inke questions why homestar didn't claim immediately: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40107
I vote for Abra in hopes of putting some pressure on them to defend themselves: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40124
Chibi expresses suspicion of both Mike and Kent: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40128
Inke also expresses suspicion of both: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40129
Equital votes Abra, saying if we're wrong we just lynch the other one next: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40135
Tetra votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40138
Persephone votes Abrapunk: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40145
Persephone unvotes after Tetra's logicpost: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40148
(Somewhere in here the logic of mike mafia rolecop and trying to get the town to vote out a power role is bought up but. Again, short on time. Also the fact that SK is not readable by a rolecop)
Abra says they have no info, and that killing them would give the mafia a free kill, implying lovers for the first time: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40154
Phant unvotes: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40156
Phant deducts lover and votes for Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40162
Sind votes for Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40170
Yellow votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40177
I remain suspicious of Abra, but express suspcion of Homestar in light of new information. Express that I'm leaving for work but may change vote later in the day: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40181
Abra votes Homestar" https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40184
Sind votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40195
At this point, Homestar claims bullet proof: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40197
Again, sorry, I don't have time to properly format it, but I hope this is useful and makes it easier to analyze votes none the less.]]
Homestar makes his cop fakeclaim, voting for Abra: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40071
I ask for clarification of whether he's claiming rolecop or cop: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40081
Homestar clarifies Role cop: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40083
Phant votes for Kent: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40084
Tetra is suspicious of Phant and Homestar, but doesn't vote at this time while trying to work out stuff in her head, I think?: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40087
Inke questions why homestar didn't claim immediately: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40107
I vote for Abra in hopes of putting some pressure on them to defend themselves: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40124
Chibi expresses suspicion of both Mike and Kent: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40128
Inke also expresses suspicion of both: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40129
Equital votes Abra, saying if we're wrong we just lynch the other one next: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40135
Tetra votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40138
Persephone votes Abrapunk: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40145
Persephone unvotes after Tetra's logicpost: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40148
(Somewhere in here the logic of mike mafia rolecop and trying to get the town to vote out a power role is bought up but. Again, short on time. Also the fact that SK is not readable by a rolecop)
Abra says they have no info, and that killing them would give the mafia a free kill, implying lovers for the first time: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40154
Phant unvotes: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40156
Phant deducts lover and votes for Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40162
Sind votes for Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40170
Yellow votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40177
I remain suspicious of Abra, but express suspcion of Homestar in light of new information. Express that I'm leaving for work but may change vote later in the day: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40181
Abra votes Homestar" https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40184
Sind votes Homestar: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40195
At this point, Homestar claims bullet proof: https://forums.thousandroads.net/index.php?threads/day-1-vanilla-mafia.827/post-40197
Again, sorry, I don't have time to properly format it, but I hope this is useful and makes it easier to analyze votes none the less.]]
[[Sind had almost no spotlight on them prior to this, besides some minor sus. I'm personally not inclined to believe that they're lying.]]
[[Seconding this. It doesn't help that rules confusion isn't a bug, but a feature, of all Mafia games.]]
Inkedust
Harbinger of Sunrise
[[This is an assumption, and one that is extremely unlikely for several reasons. To begin, let's go over some numbers—according to Reme—this game of 20 has an odd number of Town players. Since we know that there's a Serial Killer that means that the Mafia has an even number players. The ratio for town to scum is generally 1:4 and the one I expect in a newbie-friendly game, which means that we are dealing with 4 or 6 Mafia. 6 is probably a bit high for a newbie game after seeing how it played out in the last game (maybe it's not that bad in Vanilla but 7 correct lynches, assuming neither side is NK'd is a bit much) so I think that 4 Mafia are in play here.
With that in mind, let's talk about roles. We know that the Mafia has a Juggernaut and it's highly likely that they have a Role-Cop. If there are 4 Mafia, then that means that the Mafia doesn't have goons which contradicts the GM's role listing! If there were 6 Mafia then maybe the idea has more precident but I think that 4 goons in that setup is the more likely option.
We also know that there is no alternative win-con outside of the Serial Killer's—Town/Mafia lovers have an alternative win-con, so that's out.
So I think it can be reasonably assumed that the Lovers are in fact, Town (even on the off-chance that there are two pairs) and I think it's a waste of time to chase the theory that there is a Mafia pair as the numbers are just not adding up.]]
[[From the sign-up:
Which (un?)fortunately means there could be a goon-less Mafia. Just throwing that out there]]
Inkedust
Harbinger of Sunrise
[[It's a Vanilla game, goon is being in the game is not a possibility, it's downright expected. Additionally, due to game size, it can be inferred that all the roles that were listed in the signup post are active.]]
Flyg0n
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[[Hm. Or Rolecop, Juggernaut, two goons, two lovers? that would balance it since one of them would be a free kill, no?]]