From going back and combing that entire thread, Tetra's plays, at the moment, feel like scum scrambling to seem town. "I'm voting Free because they're voting me but I think we should vote Jackie because they're suspicious for not posting at all".....while also being pretty inactive to start herself. Tetra also claimed that others were sussing Jackie and I didn't see that at all?? Then, again I have spreedreader syndrome so please enlighten me if anybody else was outright "I don't trust Jackie rn" the way Tetra was.
Nope! What happened is I was mentally out of it for days and then when I saw myself getting seriously sussed when I'd barely done anything I got bitter and defensive. Not the best reaction but I was just annoyed at the time.
My reaction was to panic, vote back at Free (to tie the vote!) and then point suspicion where others had voiced some 'concerns'. Not outright suspicion but some people
had asked why jackie had been silent.
Yeah, not the best play but Free tunnelling me so hard when I'm
innocent isn't a good play either. Jackie too.
I am still absolutely baffled by Jackie's "we should abstain but I'm voting Tetra" play 1.) Because from what I've played in previous games with Jackie, Jackie never fucking abstains and 2.) IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, and that reads like scum scrambling to look town WAY fucking more than Tetra's possible misplays. Also, Jackie saying like every single town player, I have a power role and am an asset to town struck me as fucking bizarre because per the damn signup post...
Me too. Jackie has always been against abstaining? Maybe thats why they picked on me? Their defense isn't
any better than mine. I'll hold off making a concrete assessment.
Actually, after going through everything and re-reading Pano's posts, I'm getting this wack ass idea that Tetra might be our TP. Don't want to get too deep into it because I'm trying to read between lines and not make anything seem obvious but
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lol nah! I can see why you'd think that but I jumped on that conclusion because you suggested we might have one and I was like hmm, its odd no one died both nights. Arsonist is the only role I know of that features a group kill instead of nightly! I know almost no roles so it was the first idea I had.
You may be on to something here. Given that Tetra made a “there might not be a TP” comment seemingly out of nowhere, that did raise my suspicion a little. She did clarify later, buuuut that could also just be seen as backpedaling.
Everybody is afraid to speak up because it’s role madness, so everyone has something they can bring to the table and is worried about getting killed for it. That’s valid. Buuut, I think Pano is on to something with her theory. Don’t we should ALL roleclaim, of course, but if it helps narrow the pool of suspects…I would be willing to softclaim.
I won’t do so until I get more thoughts from other players, though.]]
I'll
full claim too. Only if I have to. 100% on board to do whatever I have to now that its D2.
Secondly, to Tetra: I kind of feel a little guilty at how harsh my in-character post reaction seems in hindsight. It's definitely in-character, but man, I am not used to RPing this sort of character. I did want to note that, while I understand that you were frustrated at the flavor being taken as as accusation/suspicion of me, that's definitely part of the game. Remember in second anniversary how I made a similar mistake early on and it got people on my case because of it and I got rather grumpy? I'm a little more inclined to believe you're a townie, if only because I made a similar mistake previously and know how it feels. That said, I obviously can't let my personal empathy affect my judgment, either, so... I'll get caught up on the thread proper and go from there.]]
Its ok! I don't take IC posts offensively. But you are right that I stumbled and got grumpy. I wasn't even thinking about a genuine sus of you (for now). I probably should have clarified it wasn't a hard sus though, just frantic flavor! It was just me trying to be helpful town but I already in a panic mode.
End of day actions were very suspicious given as many have pointed out the vagueness and contradictions. In fact, had someone who had remained mostly neutral, out of the conversation, or "safe" been taken out, I would have immediately jumped onto her. Instead, Free was targeted, which, at least for me, is too obvious of a target to go for to try to stir the pot? Maybe I'm overthinking this and it really is as simple as "get rid of the problem". The speculation of a third party in multiple posts is also seriously throwing me for a loop as well: what's the intent on this? It's incredibly insistent too.
I believe this is what the mafia wants you to think and its why they killed Free: decent scum hunter + making me look guilty.
I did write a whole clarification on my actions but long story short it was a mix between being out of it, panicking, and being annoyed.
[[Just popping in to say I'm not going to have a chance to write up that tetra read tonight. But right now, I'm more willing to believe uA is town over Tetra, based on my hunch that I alluded to earlier. Hopefully I'll have time to post my full thoughts before the halfway mark.]]
UA might be town! But I think they are just a confused townie tunneling another townie! Goodness knows I have done that (with good reason because of the lover incident lol) and a lot of people have. Looking forward to your read and I'll answer any questions or probably full claim later if that will help.
[[Will post later in more detail and in character. For now: I was right about Free being town, damn you all, and Tetra is fucking scum, I'm certain of it. I believe with conviction that Free was killed for being the one person fully suspicious of Tetra.]]
[[Also vote Tetra. @Inkedust. I will not be changing my vote.]]
So how many hats do you wanna eat when you're dead wrong :P
But, I could see a world where Jackie’s scum, made a Town read on Free, then killed Free knowing Free was either innocent or TP, and when Free flipped town, Jackie figured they might have the leverage on that kill to say “Free tunneled Tetra and now Free’s dead? Tetra’s scum.”
Likewise I could also see the world where Tetra killed Free to spin it on me or someone else, however, my idea that Tetra is a TP is a lot stronger right now just because of how much between-the-line reading I’ve been doing for the past two hours.]]
I would not be surprised if the first one turns out to be true. I have no interest spinning anything on you yet! I don't even think you're scum tbh. Mostly I'm neutral on you for now. And I'm town, not TP.
[[If I know Jackie as well as I think I do, I could absolutely see them going for this angle. It’s too perfect. Defend Free and capitalize on Tetra’s flailing, then kill Free and make Tetra look extra bad. Use Free’s innocent flip to appear more town the next day.
I don’t think Tetra has ever been anything but town before, but even so, killing Free after she’d been tunneling Tetra all day would be a BAD move on her part. It would only serve to make her look worse, IMO. However, if she felt she had no other choice and knew Free was going to tunnel her into oblivion, it would at least kind of make sense.
My guess is that, if Tetra is the TP, she either has limits on her power and hasn’t been able to kill yet, or she did try to kill and either her shot or mafia’s shot got blocked by a healer. She then tried to use the lack of multiple deaths to hint that maybe there is no TP after all.
This is all hypothetical, though—how likely is it we have three maf and a TP in a game this size? That feels a bit scum-heavy?]]
First one may well be it. Not sure yet though. And I assure you I didn't kill Free, lol. For whatever that is worth!
And I never suggested there is no TP, just that the TP might not be a Serial Killer. I think there is one TP two scum, maybe.
[[I'm sorry, but this is... just a really strange point to be suggesting this? There's been no evidence of a third party whatsoever, so why mention it just to say "there could be a third party involved"? And then, immediately go and backtrack and say there might not be one? Am I making any sense? Because... this suggestion, to me, does not. Like, sure, there could be a SK, and there could not. I just... feel like this was very random to bring up right now, just after Free died? ]]
See above. My original point was and always will be that there is one but maybe not an
SK. I brought that up because I found it really weird that two nights in a row only one person died! Either healer got exceedingly lucky or there's a TP like an arsonist or other role!
[[Gah why did I insert this in between my Pano replies??? It won't let me just cit/paste it and I can't be bothered delete it and go back to re-quote it separately, so I'm leaving it here.
Anyways... mate, you should defend yourself because if you really are Town, you should be doing your best to keep people from voting you off! I legit was not convinced by the defense you put up, because to be blunt, I would hardly call it a defense. Even if you just adamantly posted seven times in a row "My role is useful, I swear!" that would have been more believable than the "do what you're gonna do, whatever" that you'd posted. Now, how well that would have helped? Maybe not a lot! But the whole point is that you should really try if you want your side to win!]]
You're right. I should have. But it was D1 and the offense against me and free's tunneling set me off like previous game. I shouldn't have let it get to me because I
am innocent. But I panicked. I felt like if I said something it would be ignored. But still, not the best play to make as a townie.
[[I’m going to again reiterate that I’ve been trying to read between the lines here. Why suddenly blurt out “HEY MAYBE ITS AN ARSONIST” unless you are or know there’s an arsonist or similar TP?
I can agree with you on one thing, it could be a potential way to skrrrrtttttt around whatever blunders she made yesterday but the suddenness of the “Wow there might be a TP!” when, yes—nobody had questioned it yet—makes me think she’s trying make some hints, because that’s a thing people do. It’s a thing I’ve done myself.
This is role madness and we’re kind of at a point where if we don’t start weeding out who’s who town’s gonna lose lmfao. So MAYBE Tetra’s trying to be subtle here, or she’s trying to skrrrrtttttt. Don’t know yet, but that’s where I’m at.]]
I don't know! it was speculation based on the lack of two deaths! It would be stupid blunder for TP me to make tho. Arsonist is just the only name of a role I could think off the top of my head. I was genuinely just trying to be good town and help scumhunt ;.;
gah.
[[But why bother even mentioning a TP at all then? Maybe I'm just... too tired for this, but I haven't seen any reason for why she might even make such a not-claim when literally no one had even considered it to be a possibility previously. ]]
Sind did! And the sign-up sheet did! It's a reasonable enough conclusion imo.
I think you mean one death per night?]]
frick yes. two deaths over the two nights, one
per night.
[[So there you have it! I abstain, or strongly consider it, more often than not.]]
Taking this into consideration...
