Seventh Anniversary Mafia

[Sinderella]

By the way, Odette (@Sinderella ), I'd just resign if I were you. It's not worth having an aneurysm over a game that's pretty obviously rigged against all of us no matter what.

[[?????? I’m actually so good, but thanks for the suggestion LMFAO]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

see how much good it does you to call for the horse's execution when there's no one left who trusts you. You may yet have your satisfaction, but would we listen?

"The hour grows late. I have spent my energy being as helpful as I may. If I am slain, so be it. There is nothing more I can do."

[[Goodnight, folks. I hope I don't wake up dead, I guess, lmao.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[?????? I’m actually so good, but thanks for the suggestion LMFAO]]

nice lol 👌

 

[Dragonfree]

Rocky perked upright with a startled screech. "Wait! Rocky found smoking weapon. Weapon? Gun? Smoking gun? Rocky find evidence to trust Phase Change Spectrier."

Drawing in the dirt, Rocky made a rough looking timeline of sorts.

"Right after Rui claims Investigator information, Spectrier make these two posts:

Both posts are before we discover Rui information bad. No way for Spectrier to know Rui information is wrong, even thinking about if Rui were bad guy! No way for Spectrier to know fake-claim of Undertaker will be for Drunk!Rui here. If Spectrier was bad, it would be just as easy to claim Rui was bad guy and not Drunk. If Rocky were bad!Spectrier, this what Rocky would do, make Good guys think there one less bad guy out there after Rui eliminated.

Only way possible this is part of Evil!Spectrier plan is if Spectrier is Spy, but then why Spectrier not shoot Monk N1? Rocky know Spectrier is good enough player to know that that would be smartest move. Rocky does not think Spectrier is Spy. Therefore plan to lie about Rui after elimination not real."

Rocky stamped the ground with conviction.

"Then right after, Spectrier votes for Watt, trusting Rui and Elgyem information, making softclaim that there is a role to check Watt's alignment once they are eliminated. Not Rui! What would Spectrier fake claim be for Watt if we eliminated them instead of Rui? Spectrier believes Rui, doesn't want to disbelieve her. Does not sound like a bad guy waiting to pin fake Drunk role on a player."

"Someone double check Rocky logic, please. Rocky want to catch bad voters for Spectrier handed red. Bad bad bad bad bad--"

[[Please sanity check me here, I want to know if this is something or not, because I am uncomfy with this vote train on Chibi right now.]]

Dave furrowed his brow as he reviewed Rocky's notes. "I think I would've figured a scum Spectrier wouldn't have had any particular plan behind trusting Rui's information initially. That's just kind of what you'd normally do if someone comes forth with information until there's evidence to suggest otherwise. Either way he's just playing like a normal townie would, because all players want to try to be playing that way. I'm not sure this really indicates anything. As much as that would've been helpful."

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

"What is to stop Bad guys from shooting you and poisoning Elgyem and we are still in same place we are today anyway, question?"

[[bc if spectrier isn't demon then one of those two probably is, and it's easier to get town to mislynch someone who CAN be scum and kill the players we KNOW aren't evil, one of which is you btw]]

 

[Sinderella]

[[Look this is my first time playing BotC EVER. I’m learning. I’m also not as locked in as I would normally be majorly because of the timing; I was p much absent for a whole phase (and also got confirmed early which isn’t an excuse but def didn’t help). It is what it is; it’s no skin off my back and I’ll play better next time because I’ll understand it better 🤷‍♀ I don’t resign from mafia games, and I’ve had some bad fucking mafia games.

@Zdrmonster You knew what you were signing up for when you put your name in the hat. You can resign if you want, but do not pull other players into your discontent; it’s poor sportsmanship and will not be tolerated.

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[fcuked up and eivl that 3 good players left with all the minions gone is do or die, this is still throwing me for a loop.

Anyway the more I think about it the more I lean towards sticking to my guns on Chibi. Not a very serious update, gotta step away for a bit though, but'll be back before eod.]]

 

[Dragonfree]

"I'm also disinclined to believe Rui is scum, even if Spectrier were. The indignation seems genuine, but also, she spent a lot of time adamant that it would've been stupid to claim Investigator as scum due to the risk of counterclaims, despite that fakeclaims were guaranteed unique. You could feign ignorance there, pretend you don't know something the mafia would know. But if she had been doing that, one would think she'd have said it once and then, when corrected, stood corrected - she'd have known someone would correct the 'misconception' and be looking out for it, right? Instead, she kept on insisting on it, repeatedly. That seems genuine. And if she were scum that had legitimately been under the impression that their given fakeclaims weren't necessarily unique - well, then she legitimately would've been very weirdly bold to go claim on D1. Insisting over and over that she could've been counterclaimed despite knowing otherwise seems like very odd scumplay to me."

 

[Dragonfree]

"The problem is then once again there aren't a lot of possibilities, are there? I think I'd have to be looking at either Spectrier or Malachai plus Elgyem, unless it's like, fucking Hareta? But also, if Elgyem is scum that changes shit about all the poisoning logic.

"I was pretty sure Malachai was scum yesterday, but he's been pinging me in a more towny way since. That's a gut read, though, and who knows if that's trustworthy. I guess, gun to my head, I probably trust Spectrier least at the moment. I'm not even considering the world where Drake wasn't scum because then who even the fuck is the mafia."

 

[Dragonfree]

[[I think I'm going to have to call it here for tonight. Not wasting my ghost vote either way so at least I don't have to figure that out. Would have liked to get into some proper close reading, but the past couple days have not been kind to me in terms of free time to play mafia.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Gonna shoot for one more huge post before EOD. Pls hold lol]]

 

[aer]

Ugh, at this point I don't think it's healthy to care about who'll win.. I just want this entire bullshit over with.

I like Squirtles! Let's play together!

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Where are the votes at rn? (Gonna ping @Inkedust in case she's got the official tally.) I want to double check I'm not causing a tie.]]

 

[Inkedust]

[[Where are the votes at rn? (Gonna ping @Inkedust in case she's got the official tally.) I want to double check I'm not causing a tie.]]

I've tallied them last night. Spectrier is leading. Currently at work, so can't do an official tally atm.

 

[Flyg0n]

This is me blathering more and reacting to posts.

Im so tired today idk if I missed something.

Spoiler: replies n junk

[[So I really, truly believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tetra is scum. Her play today has been extreme flailing and giving off every mark of a desperate scum with nothing to lose.

Flailing if only because we lost the mayor. I do have to commend you tho. In the world where I'm wrong and there's three scum left I am terrified and pleased, you did a good town. And mad respect for scum play.

The second Free claims, uA is quick to suggest a massclaim, which is a pretty sharp about-face from earlier. If their role is so beneficial to town that it shouldn’t be revealed, why suddenly suggest a massclaim? Why not leave scum guessing, like Tetra (very adamantly) insisted?

But If I'm scum (NOT) then why the whole bit about preserving roles? Not riding this train but guess we'll see what station it stops it, I can ahrdly expect you to turn bellyup and admit you were scum, ehehe. Good play!

Precisely! Of all the roles left, this one is the most threatening to scum!

Ohohoh it is isn't it. But its also most threatening for you to lose a fellow scummate. Of course you dont want chibi dead.

[[Please sanity check me here, I want to know if this is something or not, because I am uncomfy with this vote train on Chibi right now.]]

If not for the fairly sound logic of you being Butler I'd be more sus of this haha, but this is reasonable townplay.

Elgyem were evil, I know I'm not the demon, I have pretty good reason to think Drake wasn't the demon unless I got some seriously weird false intel,

Well yeah, I'm not the demon cause thats YOU

as I say, so long as Spectrier is Evil, then Spectrier knows the Investigator intel is wrong immediately. If he and Rui are both evil

Which they are

I then poked at Tetra a bit to see if she would give up on keeping her claim secret. I believed she would fold first if she was mafia. She did fold first.

Well technically a town power role would not want to die. Dead Mayor is pretty bad for us. Lowk was ready to have good ol Jackie/Tetra slugfest over this because it felt like you were provoking me to claim to make me look worse/execute the mayor. Before the morning stuff.

I was doing so many contortions during the night before Day opened. ready to catch you slipping today

Spectrier would only know what if Rui was Evil, too."

And undertaker is the perfect cover. How utterly convenient

I’m at work but I’m ambivalent about Spectrier at the moment and will try to respond to Rocky later.]]

Man ngl if not for your claim yesterday I'd be sussing you so much harder... I'm glad we have at least one person to solidly trust now.

Wanted to be active but haven't had time to be, life got in the way. I still maintain that the best elimination is one of Chibi/UA, but I need to reread the thread before I make a decision on which

Well at least we can half agree :P

If it's Rocky, where's our second Outsider? Now that I know for sure the game rules mean there definitely are two Outsiders, that's as good as hard confirmation Rocky is Butler to me. Otherwise we have a secret Outsider somewhere who could blow the game wide open but is refusing to and doubling down on a fake claim.]

Guys its me I was a Saint all along-*shot* (joking joking big time haha)

But if Phan was drunk, then Rui couldn't have been. But if Rui is drunk, then Phan had to be poisoned. Or lying.

Or yknow. Rui was LYING and at this point, someone else is drunk.

If one of the inforoles is Drunk, and Rocky is Butler, that tells us who the Outsiders are. There are no other plausible Outsiders. Therefore we can trust Rocky. Rocky is not evil, with almost as much certainty as Odette.]]

Mmmm yeah I believe your logic here.

When Yellow claimed, this was the first thing Morgan said.

Thats even more weird but half of me is like... this is bold scum!play or just bold town. Both can be similar but the way everyone acts like Scum are always coasting under the radar doesn't track.I was sus of Mal and Dave earlier for coasting (from my POV). Hypothetically good scum wants to look like good town! Thus playing bold is SMART.

People don't expect D1 town to collab immediately and demand to trust someone.

Voted for Yellow despite knowing the play of her galbrain lying isn't typical. Also, remember, first one out of the gate to insist trusting Yellow but turned when the vote train started (note: that train was started by Tetra/Flygon/Drake)

I address this below but basically free pointed out at the time it was just regular play and im sure yellow read her wiki. Good play to be sure.

At the time I actually became convined of her guilt and then waffled and backed off because of her play. kinda funny that I was on the mark there.

Spectrier/Chibi doesn't think Morgan/Phan bad

This strong ascertation certainly doesn't make it look good.

So............after all of that talk about a Mayor, Drake claims Mayor, immediately it's a vote and "no big loss."

I one -hundo percent agree here. Why does Phan think its no big loss if they're town? That IS a loss. scum wants mayor executed. Badly.

[[I don't think it's galaxy brained to do the first thing the guidebook suggests you should do if you get Investigator as your fakeclaim.]]

I keep pointing this out because now that I trust @Dragonfree even more @HelloYellow17 's play makes sense as smart scumplay! Its good play! I was fooled.

I see now Dave is retracting this but I just dont agree.

So the logic here is that if Tetra is Mafia, the Mafia would have known the Noivern was the Ravenskeeper? Why not Librarian or Soldier?

NOT MAFIA

If you want to get your target executed, then you just say you got an incriminating result today instead of cooking up this whole scenario where you got it yesterday and your result today was actually negative; if you really want the plausible deniability of maybe you were poisoned if town ends up confirming your target was innocent, then you probably don't stand there for 80% of the day confidently explaining your results mechanically confirm your target is the Demon

Okay but why wouldn't scum!phan just play bold audacious townie to throw everyone off? Scum!Phan confidently declaring they got a guilty read would make me super sus, especially since the Undertaker can now just collaborate their scum buddy! It would be too easy looking, the smarter play to me would be you'd want to appear uncertain because thats good townplay.

VOTE: SPECTRIER aka GLASTRIER / CHIBI PIKA

[[Chibi, if you wanna defend yourself then my #1 tip for an angle would be that I'm really curious on your thoughts on Malachai, since I consider them a much more plausible evil than Madeline right now.]]

Hmm... the one bit that rings odd to me is the call for Chibi to defend themselves? At first I thought voting Chibi means Phan isn't the scummate but Scum!Phan can change vote and jump off the train and the call for defense is either genuine town or a panicky call for scummate to do something. Also though it could be an attempt to join an already active train to avoid sus?
but this would mean bussing a scummate and leaving them the only one alive ? And hoping to coast on that???

I am actually leaning Town!Phan for this play? Seems sincere speculation which means Chibi/Perse/Yellow is my read

Best part is it doesn't matter, Horse dead!

or intentionally acting/Spy, which is a role would have set up to a D1 accusation of this kind very well, or the Drunk which was my later conclusion. I still feel like Drunk is more likely than Spy

I really don't know why we ought to be so confident Rui is Drunk when it could just as well be you or the hypothetical Town!Phan (which means its Perse, and fakeslayer was a pretty great gambit to waste it before town could offer strong insight and trap scum!perse?.

This is the main reason I find it implausible for Morgan to be evil, particularly because this would mean that she had a perfectly good miselimination (Morgan and Madeline cannot be partners) and abandoned it for no reason, which ensured Drake's demise instead. It holds only the barest shred of sense in the world where Drake was not evil, which I do not believe is the world we inhabit."

Well now, the Phan/Chibi train is gaining traction, covering for each other with these absolutes that only work well if they dial in on the "Scum drake" thing.

I will be hyper analyzing everything you say

was collaborating with Rattata

the ONLY ONE COLLABORATING IS YOU AND RUI

My favourite example of this is the vehement battle I have with Tetra every single goddamn daystart game ever. It's tradition at this point.]]

Is it even Mafia if we're not at eat others throats ?😌
Amused by the certainty that I am somehow still scum in all this (I would have sussed you to death about this today im sure)

wait no that last note is also dumb bc demondrake requires me and chibi to both be poisoned. I do not see how it was possible.]]]

[[Yknow there's another simpler explanation. I'm not the demon. Or scum.

I Do think we need our living lock townies to make a vote, thats like... @Sinderella and uh... wow okay its Sind and Mal and Rocky? Two of whom already voted (one correct). Hm. Guess we'll see where this goes. I think almost everyone else cast, unless I missed someone? Dont want to waste town ghost votes
@Sinderella Hoping to hear who you think the scumteam is, I think some of your observations aren't bad

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Flyg0n's vehement attacks on Chibi are my #1 source of hesitation for my vote lmao.]]

 

[aer]

"Rocky notice that in Malachai's read of Undertaker claim this morning, they say Spectrier bad because Evil team would want Town to think Poisoner still alive. Paranoia. Could never trust each other or anyone. Only scum team would know truth. Rocky think that if Spectrier part of Evil team, they'd want to say Poisoner dead, instead! Make Town think information safe and good to trust while still manipulating results. Opposite of what Rocky think!"

The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. If the Spectrier/Undertaker reported that the Poisoner was dead, then the town's information all agreeing with each other would've just made sense, and we could've been looking at others. Now it's much harder as town. Additionally, whoever gets killed tomorrow should give information on who the mafia is, as between the three of us with inforoles that were left alive none have useful information on. Tomorrow we will learn something and I feel like it makes more sense to execute someone and be able to test that than anyone else.