Seventh Anniversary Mafia

[Zdrmonster]

"Rocky think voting for Phase Change Spectrier is bad idea. If they were Evil, and could lie about any Evil role to frame Drake, why not say Drake was Poisoner instead? Town would believe, and then Evil!Spectrier and their team could continue to Poison Town as they saw fit without suspicion."

"Rocky also unsure about eliminating a source of information (Spectrier) before a non-source (Malachai). Does leaving potential bad information in confuse the issue or force bad guy to tell another lie to potentially get caught with, question?" Two taps.

Ugh, at this point I don't think it's healthy to care about who'll win.. I just want this entire bullshit over with.

 

[Zdrmonster]

By the way, Odette (@Sinderella ), I'd just resign if I were you. It's not worth having an aneurysm over a game that's pretty obviously rigged against all of us no matter what.

 

[aer]

... ugh I don't know. Out of all the people here, I think the person I trust most is the rock. Sorry if this is wrong.

Vote Malachai @Inkedust

 

[Chibi Pika]

Morgan shot the horse a grin. "If you wanna trade your life for his, then I'm game."

Glastrier nodded coldly. “Very well.”

Vote: Malachai @Inkedust

[[I’m fully expecting I’ll get eliminated first out of the two of us. Still worth it, I think.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

"Rocky also unsure about eliminating a source of information (Spectrier) before a non-source (Malachai).

"Spectrier isn't a source of information," Malachai muttered irritably, "they're an enemy who is lying to us. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were misframing this choice deliberately!"

Ugh, at this point I don't think it's healthy to care about who'll win.. I just want this entire bullshit over with.

I'd just resign if I were you. It's not worth having an aneurysm over a game that's pretty obviously rigged against all of us no matter what.

[[Please don't do this, man. Don't encourage other people to throw the game just because you're havng a tough time. The game isn't rigged, it's entirely possible for scum or town to win a game of Mafia/BotC. I'm hoping town wins, I'll live with it if not. It's just a game, after all. Maybe log off for a bit and get your head right, okay? Hope you've got this out of your system by the next day phase, it's not a good vibe.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

Sorry if this is wrong.

Malachai laughed indulgently.

"Apology accepted, little being! No hard feelings over a mere game. I hope you'll forgive me in turn when I get to rub your face in this later on~"

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Seconding unrepentantAuthor there. This isn't anywhere close to the roughest social deduction game I've been in, not has it been very long. This is just how the genre works. Although the length aspect is unique to the asynchronous forum format.]]

"Rocky think voting for Phase Change Spectrier is bad idea. If they were Evil, and could lie about any Evil role to frame Drake, why not say Drake was Poisoner instead? Town would believe, and then Evil!Spectrier and their team could continue to Poison Town as they saw fit without suspicion."

"Rocky also unsure about eliminating a source of information (Spectrier) before a non-source (Malachai). Does leaving potential bad information in confuse the issue or force bad guy to tell another lie to potentially get caught with, question?" Two taps.

"I get what you're driving at, Rocky, I really do. I'm just... apprehensive about eliminating someone I trust more than someone I don't. And, sure, I can lock in on voting for both, but will everyone else? I have a chance to take out my top suspect here, and I'm worried about giving the horse a chance to seize control of the momentum."

In the extremely likely event that the horse stood up before the town and declared that they'd gotten the poisoner, what would happen? Would people really commit to taking the horse out, or decide that taking out tertiary targets was a better idea? Especially when they would almost certainly going to face the same dilemma again tomorrow: She'd be in the same boat again tomorrow, when they could take out a used-up Slayer instead of an inforole and risk nothing except the game.

Ew. Thinking through her gut feelings like that made it seem like a rancid impulse. She intellectually understood that being town meant trusting your team. She even distantly remembered what it felt like to be an eusocial species, even if she'd been similarly closed-off back then herself.

[[As much as that's Morgan rp framing, I do ooc worry about the fact that this 'would you really eliminate an inforole' dilemma will never clear up, and that I'll die alone on the Chibi hill once uA's dead and almost surely labelled evil, and I have no idea what terrifying and unpredictable flavour of paranoia would set in if Chibi calls a Ravenkeeper flip.]]

"Fine. I... I could get behind it. But— But I want to be able to trust that we're not just going to keep procrastinating on taking the horse out because of the whole being a possible info role dilemma, should the game continue when Mal dies."

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Oh my gosh yall seriously??? HHHRNGN I need to finish up shower after the stupid little walkies for my stupid mental health but this Mal stuff ain't it. Back later.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

if Chibi calls a Ravenkeeper flip.

"If they called anything else I'd spend the entire day phase baying and calling for their execution!" quipped Malachai, another deep laugh giving way to a coughing wheeze. "I almost want to experience it for the sheer giddy satisfaction of knowing someone is a damned liar without a shred of doubt in my mind."

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[Seconding unrepentantAuthor there. This isn't anywhere close to the roughest social deduction game I've been in, not has it been very long. This is just how the genre works. Although the length aspect is unique to the asynchronous forum format.]]


"I get what you're driving at, Rocky, I really do. I'm just... apprehensive about eliminating someone I trust more than someone I don't. And, sure, I can lock in on voting for both, but will everyone else? I have a chance to take out my top suspect here, and I'm worried about giving the horse a chance to seize control of the momentum."

In the extremely likely event that the horse stood up before the town and declared that they'd gotten the poisoner, what would happen? Would people really commit to taking the horse out, or decide that taking out tertiary targets was a better idea? Especially when they would almost certainly going to face the same dilemma again tomorrow: She'd be in the same boat again tomorrow, when they could take out a used-up Slayer instead of an inforole and risk nothing except the game.

Ew. Thinking through her gut feelings like that made it seem like a rancid impulse. She intellectually understood that being town meant trusting your team. She even distantly remembered what it felt like to be an eusocial species, even if she'd been similarly closed-off back then herself.

[[As much as that's Morgan rp framing, I do ooc worry about the fact that this 'would you really eliminate an inforole' dilemma will never clear up, and that I'll die alone on the Chibi hill once uA's dead and almost surely labelled evil, and I have no idea what terrifying and unpredictable flavour of paranoia would set in if Chibi calls a Ravenkeeper flip.]]

"Fine. I... I could get behind it. But— But I want to be able to trust that we're not just going to keep procrastinating on taking the horse out because of the whole being a possible info role dilemma, should the game continue when Mal dies."

"Okay yes yes Rocky like to think about things. What does removing Spectrier from game first accomplish? Rocky concerned that if we miss Bad Guy, there are still two Evil powers in play, Poison and Demon, and only two active information roles left. Dave gone, no more protection."

"What is to stop Bad guys from shooting you and poisoning Elgyem and we are still in same place we are today anyway, question?"

"Rocky remember this at start of day today:"

[[Oh, right, obviously. Apologies for mixing up which dead player gets clocked by Undertaker, I didn't sleep that great. Anyway, our answer is 'Prolong' which is the expected answer tbh. It's either true, or he was Poisoner, and if he was Poisoner it's better for scum if we believe Poisoner is still alive. I was anticipating Chibi might say 'Mayor' to back Tetra up, but that'd probably make them look worse than bussing since almost any viable scumteam must include Drake. Right?]]

"Rocky notice that in Malachai's read of Undertaker claim this morning, they say Spectrier bad because Evil team would want Town to think Poisoner still alive. Paranoia. Could never trust each other or anyone. Only scum team would know truth. Rocky think that if Spectrier part of Evil team, they'd want to say Poisoner dead, instead! Make Town think information safe and good to trust while still manipulating results. Opposite of what Rocky think!"

"Rocky know he is Good guy. Does that mean Malachai opposite of Good guy, question?" Two taps.

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[I do want to keep thinking this through, but I do have to duck out for a hockey game for the evening. I'll be back for a bit afterward, but not too long before I have to head to bed before EoD.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

"If they called anything else I'd spend the entire day phase baying and calling for their execution!" quipped Malachai, another deep laugh giving way to a coughing wheeze. "I almost want to experience it for the sheer giddy satisfaction of knowing someone is a damned liar without a shred of doubt in my mind."

[[Oh you mean like me :P?]]

 

[Dragonfree]

There are some caveats around poisoned town chibi results mirepresenting a poisoner as sw there as well but idc.

"Isn't that fucking impossible? Like, if Drake was the poisoner and died yesterday, then he can't also have poisoned the fucking horse last night."

 

[aer]

WHO THE FUCK IS SHUPPET LOL

Shuppet = Mimikyu, I think. Too many clothy little ghosts!!

"Apology accepted, little being! No hard feelings over a mere game. I hope you'll forgive me in turn when I get to rub your face in this later on~"

...

... yeah, alright, if you're innocent, I'll let you rub my face in it later~!!

 

[aer]

"Isn't that fucking impossible? Like, if Drake was the poisoner and died yesterday, then he can't also have poisoned the fucking horse last night."

[[He's Scarlet Woman/Prolong]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[I know that was Chibi's result - Shiny Phantump was talking about a hypothetical possibility that Drake had actually been Poisoner and Chibi read him as Scarlet Woman instead because they were poisoned, but that is impossible because if Drake had been the Poisoner, then they would not have been able to poison Chibi last night.]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[one last post before I go and maybe miss some timezone'd folks:

I would suggest reviewing not what players are saying but who, and then think about why.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

"If they called anything else I'd spend the entire day phase baying and calling for their execution!" quipped Malachai, another deep laugh giving way to a coughing wheeze. "I almost want to experience it for the sheer giddy satisfaction of knowing someone is a damned liar without a shred of doubt in my mind."

"Would you not, otherwise? Could well happen otherwise, look two spaces to your right and see how much good it does you to call for the horse's execution when there's no one left who trusts you. You may yet have your satisfaction, but would we listen? Not even I, someone who already trusts you more than the horse, and would still want the horse gone, would put much extra stock in your condemnation: I already expect you two are enemies either way."

"Okay yes yes Rocky like to think about things. What does removing Spectrier from game first accomplish? Rocky concerned that if we miss Bad Guy, there are still two Evil powers in play, Poison and Demon, and only two active information roles left. Dave gone, no more protection."

"What is to stop Bad guys from shooting you and poisoning Elgyem and we are still in same place we are today anyway, question?"

"I'm still something of a suspect, if you hadn't noticed. They're running out of those. To spare yourself, the Bunny, and the turtle puts them tonight puts them in a painful place if they do reach Eliminate or Lose with most of you alive. Nah, you lot are the likely priorities."

"Rocky notice that in Malachai's read of Undertaker claim this morning, they say Spectrier bad because Evil team would want Town to think Poisoner still alive. Paranoia. Could never trust each other or anyone. Only scum team would know truth. Rocky think that if Spectrier part of Evil team, they'd want to say Poisoner dead, instead! Make Town think information safe and good to trust while still manipulating results. Opposite of what Rocky think!"

"There's an argument to be made that you want to call either opposite if you're an evil horse here. If your poisoner dies, call Scarlet and everyone will think they didn't get the demon when the demon dies and Scarlet takes over. Call Scarlet when Poisoner dies, and people under-trust their info, letting you, say for example, call Elegym poisoned tonight and vote Madeline when they read her as clean. But since calling Poisoner as Scarlet risks a poisoner trap, and the latter risks people noticing a lack of poison, you could probably call whatever and justify it. I don't think we should take anything as guaranteed evil horse behaviour."

"Isn't that fucking impossible? Like, if Drake was the poisoner and died yesterday, then he can't also have poisoned the fucking horse last night."

[[I have honestly already forgotten but I think the caveat there was demondrake? I mostly just didn't want another Phan is Overconfident callout post since I don't think it's technically impossible.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

"Rocky know he is Good guy. Does that mean Malachai opposite of Good guy, question?"

Malachai gave Rocky a withering stare.

"You suspect anyone with a different opinion to you to be a murderer, do you?"

[[Mal's being sassy but like genuinely no. This wouldn't be the first time town and town have disagreed with each other. My favourite example of this is the vehement battle I have with Tetra every single goddamn daystart game ever. It's tradition at this point.]]

[[Oh you mean like me :P?]]

[[Actually yes. Even though I still feel like the odds say you should be scum, your rage at Chibi is remarkably strong in its appeal to me. You sound intensely towny. I find it perplexing. I don't know if I can recall you ever faking being this mad.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[wait no that last note is also dumb bc demondrake requires me and chibi to both be poisoned. I do not see how it was possible.]]]