Seventh Anniversary Mafia

[Flyg0n]

"Listen up!" Drake barked (it was more of an angry squeak but to him it sounded plenty commanding). "-Except you, lying horse freak. Everyone else, we've still got this in the bag if you would all just listen to me."

[[did my walkies for my mental healthies and gonna lock in. I do like/agree with jackie's list. I am ignoring you chibi for obvious reasons :}
Also that bit from Drake is flavor I'm not actually trying to rudely demand everyone listen to me ehehehe

I do also want to clarify a thing, which is that ghost votes are permanent. In case that wasn't clear, I can't say, ghost vote and change the ghost vote. Idk if anyone else was uncertain but its locked for good now; if I wanted to change I couldn't but I have no intention of it.

Lets also remember Scum is motivated to execute the mayor cause as far as I understand the role I can steal the game?

Let me try and see if I can explain my thoughtline in case anything from early day was unclear.

Spoiler: Scenario Babbling

Far before EOD and before bed, I panicked due to the vote train on me and revealed I was Mayor. I thought at the time Mal might even be scum, in which case there wouldn't be a point to revealing the truth cause scum!Jackie would have guessed I was Mayor. I hoped that maybe I'd wake up to SOME defense of not murdering the mayor with so many obvious targets but heyo. I fully admit I played pretty poorly, I was scrambling and had no idea what a good mayor was supposed to do to help town.

Chibi also voted me >:{.

In the scenario where everyone is telling the truth (Drunk!Rui, Town!Phan, Poisoned!Aer somehow innocent!Chibi), you all realize this literally would mean we somehow have three scum alive. That means Perse/Mal and what... Rocky? Hareta?? What! Thats bad bad bad!! Also how. So let's just. Yeet that out the window cause Perse/Mal can't be true (unless we thought wind was freakin poisoned but that doesn't align I think).

Let's entertain for a moment, Chibi is Drunk or Poisoned: In this scenario, Chibi is innocent and got a false read on me, and neither Phan nor Aer are Poisoned. For Chibi to be Drunk it means Rui cannot be Drunk. That means Rui was a lucky opening night poison or Rui lied. Maybe Poisoned!Rui is true instead of Drunk!Rui but if that were true, that means the Drunk is someone else. If I entertain Drunk!Chibi over Rui that means Chibi is still innocent and leaves me with Three scum. (Again, one has to be between perse and Phan and that means Mal/Rocky.

Scum!chibi is the sole read that lines up here for why the false intel on me as Mayor. Scum!Chibi means Chibi most surely needs to be suspected of lying about their first read. And I think the smart play for scum would be to corrobarate Rui, making her out to have been Drunk/Poisoned because this garners trust from Rui + any other town who believed Rui.

I suppose we could still entertain Innocent!Rui and Scum!Chibi who told the truth about Rui but then we have to look at Two more scum. In this scenario Scum!Chibi cannot coexist with Scum!Mal, thus this exonerates Mal. That means... idk between what? Hareta, Aer, Phan and Perse and Rocky? there's some serious legpulling. (I haven't evened the odds but there's a world that I guess perse was poisoned and the poison carried over to the next day phase? And that explains why it didn't work, or Phan is simply a Minion). Ugh.

Spoiler: Thoughts and replies to things

As a reminder i claimed mayor Day 2 EOD under scrutiny of vote train

Jackie claimed Ravenkeeper

[[Fwiw, I don't see any universe where she is anything other than drunk, poisoned or scum. A

I mean yeah,

"I have long decided who should go next, friend."

vote Spectrier @Inkedust

Jackie is quick to early vote Spectrier; at first this made me ultra sus; espcially with the now useless Ravenkeeper claim from yesterday and I was thinking in ym head that scumjackie would go for their Day 2 EOD sus on Chibi. I was leaning slightly Jackie

"Glastrier will simply say 'Monk', of course. There is no other possibility."

Malachi purred to himself amusedly.

"I may have deduced the mafia composition. When I have thought it through—" [[when I have a free moment]] "—I shall explain it."

Jackie misunderstands how the role works but I realize this is just also townplay in hindsight, not some ruse to communicate to scumfriends or smth.

"Little rat, who do you believe the other villains are? Go on, propose a whole mafia trio~! I'd be fascinated to see you explain how there can be three of them without you being one yourself."

I hope my above rambles in the previous spoiler suffice 😅.

"It is a waste of time to listen to the rat. He was the holder of the Prolong Emera, and would thus say anything if it meant we might listen. I see little reason to believe I was poisoned when the rat was so widely suspected."

[[I flatly don't think scum would have had any reason to poison me in this scenario when Drake had come under sure heavy fire and hiding the other two would have been more important. I think this is just correct, which means I can definitely rule myself out as drunk as well (not that it was likely, I just like having the proof).

BLAH BLAH BLAH LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

I also rambled above on why Drunk and Poisoned dont really add up.

[[Oh, right, obviously. Apologies for mixing up which dead player gets clocked by Undertaker, I didn't sleep that great. Anyway, our answer is 'Prolong' which is the expected answer tbh. It's either true, or he was Poisoner, and if he was Poisoner it's better for scum if we believe Poisoner is still alive. I was anticipating Chibi might say 'Mayor' to back Tetra up, but that'd probably make them look worse than bussing since almost any viable scumteam must include Drake. Right?]]

Jackie clarifies their misunderstanding. Jackie is wrong about me, but thats okay < 3. Im dead anyway and you helped but I won't hold it against you.

However you're wrong about viable scumteam with me hah. if not for chibi's lie I'd surely be more sus here. But I do not see any reason right now to doubt Wind's info which means you're free.

Drake/Morgan/Elgyem - Requires the redchecks from yesterday to have been an insanely bold Morgan+Elgyem setup, which I still don't find plausible. Also why would Morgan would throw away the free Madeline elimination at the last second.
Drage/Elgyem/Mal - Requires Elgyem to have been faking her intel without having any way of knowing what Morgan's intel was which is crazy lucky. Nothing technically ruling it out though.
Drake/Mal/Madeline - While Mal had been subtly hinting at the possibility of scum Drake, the seating arrangement meant that he basically would've had to. I don't see any reason why Drake/Mal is an impossible pairing, and I wasted a lot of time thinking about which one was more likely.

Real convenient you want people to think that we hit scum, scum sure would love this narrative huh!!

As a reminder, I'm ruling out evil!Rui because I'm pretty sure I mechanically cannot be drunk, and I don't know why I would have been a poison target on n1.]]

OH SURE. You'd really like to rule at evil!Rui wouldn't you, cause that line up mechanially well with everything you say. And who benefits th most imo from this idea that Rui isn't evil??? Scum. Why even bring this up if not to cover for a scummate

[[Alright, upon rereading, technically there is no rule that says the storyteller can't sometimes give true intel to the drunk but it feels... weird? Idk it just doesn't feel like a useful train of thought.]]

Spinning some yarns I bet

The horse’s information aligns with mine reasonably well. I inspected them alongside the rat, since I expected to be told that either a minion or demon died no matter what and wanted to see if my results lined up. They do! We’re all clear~”

.... Okay I... I don't really like this whole thing of inspecting only one player at a time. Thats less intel overall and even with the risk of poison and drunk to keep doing this three days in a row doesn't feel great at all. And you were provoking our doctor to claim? Even with my letting misplays slide (goodness knows I misplayed) checking me to corrobarate and then only Chibi?

XX

Hm... Phan/Chibi is gaining more weight in my eyes

Either it’s the horse, and we just killed our mayor,

Yeah you did kill your mayor :P
I been saying that

But I settled on this, because being able to check which kind of evil Drake might be and compare it against what type of evil Horse might be would make it harder to fabricate information.”

I get your logic but if its you and chibi this is a perfect corrobarative play.

Vote: Chibi

I vote chibi

Glastrier was unimpressed. "It is interesting to me that you are so certain of this, when in the world where you were innocent, you would want to be sure that there were no other explanations of why my information was wrong."

Yeah I ran the idea of you being innocent but that means Rui is too and that still leaves us with three scum.

Not gonna make me buy the logic.

"Well, that makes no sense to me at all. I tried very hard to get the rat killed

thanks for that :P /s

Naw sorry yellow jackie can't be scum if its chibi and the train you are gunning for makes me only more sus.

[[I’ve been on the scum Jackie train since the BEGINNING lol, there’s no “snapping around” going on here.

Okay fair! I got way too hype and forgot this, you are correct.

Rather than shouting incessantly about how I must be scum, PROVE to me that my play has been anything but pro-town. Make an actual argument.

I do want to interact with this; to say kindly that pro-town and good scumplay should be very similar. You have been townie, to the point where I entertained you being drunk/poisoned for awhile! It was a sucky pull to be Drunk i thought at the time, but you did still play well and try your best and I truly never thought you were actually scum for a good bit.

I outlined above my mathfor why you and chibi both being innocent isn't tracking to me.

But. This is the game of deception. Of lying, and of misplays and bad hands and bad draws. In the hypothetical where you are innocent. I do understand getting bad situation but the amount of times we've lynched a town to oblivion in mafia is like, 100%! Thats how the game goes. At least here you are alive, you cancontribute, sway votes, make arguements and even vote! Dying is literally NBD and even if you are innocent or poisoned you gave town your info and thats good.

Kindly though, I do not believe you are innocent unless we're looking at.... Chibi/(not mal)/Rocky/Phan or Perse. But regardless you actually played exceptionally well so you should be proud, its Chibis lie that tipped me off.

I do look forward to who you think is our scumteam though!

“Anyway, I suppose that’s our first person not to heed the advice that you shouldn’t waste your dead vote if you don’t know it’ll make the difference.

Ah well. I can't decide if this is scum you or town you. Scum!you would not want me to sus chibi since if you and chibi are the scumteam you might call this into question to discredit me... on the off chance it was... perse? than yeah. I fumbled maybe but I don't have qualms given I compeltely convinced of chibi and my sole ghost vote isn't a big deal, the rest of town can cinch this easily.

I do get where you're coming from though if you're town, tbc. And uh. I may not have comprehended exactly how the ghost vote works but again I am okay with this.

[[This could also be erratic play, though. We often get an erratic player who we all assume is scum until they flip and we realize it was just that. Except they don’t flip here.

Aahhaha okay all fairness this is my first time so. and I also uh. Can be bad...at this... a little. I always want to be good for town but I never quite grasp how

I really need to get my brain together on these roles though, I'm simply not computing very well right now. Y'all need to fucking STOP automatically clearing Morgan, though. ]]

We did talk about this briefly but as I review all these claims and power uses I agree.

I mentioned this

{{One thing I want to point out: if Morgan is scum, then Madeline is almost certainly not, and could only be scum of one of them is a spy. This seems unlikely when the setup of Demon/Scarlet Woman/Poisoner seems far more likely. And given the conflicting results Elgyem got, there is presumably a poisoner.

If Madeline is telling the truth about her slayer role, then even if Morgan is scum, she cannot be the demon. Still a potential problem, but perhaps lower priority versus susing out who the demon might be, most likely one of UA/Chibi I think]]

Wind has a point here.

Wind can't be drunk either so unless all of our assumptions are false because wind was poisoned (I do not think this); Perse/Phan cannot be a pair.

But how could we have gotten incriminating results on the same Mimikyu last night unless we were both poisoned, which is impossible? How can we be in agreement if Madeline is innocent? If I were poisoned, then you couldn't have been, but we both got evil results. If you knew that you weren't poisoned, then why would you claim that you were and got false results? Were you not reporting who you checked for some reason?

It makes a lot more sense for you or phan to be poisoned if we acknowledge you both might be town, not chibi poisoned. Scum!chibi would benefit from making everyone think Rui!Innocent though.

The major thing that keeps bothering me though is that Morgan wanted the Monk to claim. That rings as the most scummy to me, like, Dave is now dead, completely predictably. I wanted to make a post about it before because I thought it was also weird that Chibi wanted the monk to claim, which is pretty suspicious, but then it actually happened.

This bothers me too. Chibi voting me is sus too. weird aint it (its cause chibi lied about me).

Considering that Rocky is mostly verified based off of Morgan's logic. Is it only based on the idea that we have to have exactly 2 outsiders? Why can't we just have 1?

Okay yeah as I mention below I'm at least partly baffled why everyone seems sure of our loadout? I mean probably we have two outsiders to weaken town but...? We did get poisoned and no investigator...

[[We have twelve players. Therefore there must be exactly 7 town, 2 outsiders, 2 minions, and 1 demon. One of our inforoles is almost certainly Drunk. And if Rocky isn't a Butler then we must have a Recluse or Saint somewhere who should have spoken up by now.]]

Do we though? As said above if we never had an Investigator cause that was a fakeclaim for scum, then surely town is underpowered...?

But I believe the game will simply end."

Vote: Madeline @Inkedust

Now I'm inclined to think Madeline is innocent, scum!chibi needs to vote away from any sus and is the first to early vote? Making me lean Phan now.

[[It’s confirmed that they’re all randomized into the pool. This is also why Rocky/Pano can also be sparking vanilla townie. (Except better bc it also tells us where the Outsiders are.)]]

I must stress this to @ everyone that its completely random so we don't know the configuration balance between outsiders (unless im grievously misunderstanding you)

Uh.... Yeah Thats all i probably got me in me tonight.]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

(Also, can you provide the soft claim / hint you supposedly made on Day 1 for having an info role? I just tried to find it and couldn’t.

[[The softclaim I found from Chibi is here:

"It's possible that... we could find out if Plusle is lying or not if there's a role that finds out what he was after he dies. It would tell us a lot about him, and Squirtle, and Leafeon, and Elgyem... ohh, so many..." He was more sure about this now.

from this post

I've done this method before, having a role and offhandedly mentioning its existence in the game. It doesn't outright sound like a softclaim, just speculation, but it's a softclaim with hindsight.

I don't think this clears them either, however. It was explained the Demon received all three of the fake claims at the start of N0, and would have had time to discuss and distribute them with their Minion teammates prior to D1 discussion.]]

 

[Persephone]

[[Okay, I think I hallucinated a post, then. I could have sworn that Elgyem was upset that no one trusted them and Chibi said they did. But I cannot find it anywhere.]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[*I* said I trusted Elgyem, having spotted their softclaim D1 during the Hareta and Watt kerfuffle. There may have been others who spotted it too, I believe Morgan said they did as well. I don't recall if Chibi said they spotted anyone else's softclaims that day or not.]]

 

[Zdrmonster]

[[I guess no matter what, this'll be my last mafia. I don't know if I'll even want to play Among Us after this.]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[The way I’ve been inclined to interpret the info disruption in this game so far:

- Rui was Drunk.
- Mafia poisoned Morgan N0. This just kinda makes sense for them to do, I think? She’s obviously the player with the most experience playing this particular game, which makes her a sensible default target to disrupt if you have no information.
- After Elgyem’s strong softclaim, they poisoned her N1.
- On N2 they probably would have poisoned Morgan again, the one with the most dangerous info role to them (Elgyem only sees her neighbors, both of whom had ultimately gotten read as town yesterday so they’d be harder to frame at this point).

This all lines up. All info discrepancies are accounted for, and the mafia’s actions make sense in each case. If this is what happened, Madeline is innocent, and Morgan’s result that neither Drake nor Spectrier was the Demon is pretty likely a poisoned one. This implies Spectrier being pretty likely Demon.

Chibi’s suggested version of events:

- Rui was Drunk.
- Someone irrelevant got poisoned on N0 (plausible, since it would have been a shot in the dark).
- Morgan got poisoned N1, based on her vague softclaim.
- Elgyem got poisoned N2, because Madeline is the Demon and they wanted Elgyem to get an exonerating result today.

This also lines up info-wise, but leaves the question of why poison Morgan and not Elgyem N1, when they were shooting Odette, and Elgyem had the more obvious softclaim, was inclined to believe her info (unlike Morgan who was indicating she thought she was Drunk), and was predictably about to get a result on Madeline N1. You can cast doubt on anything as the mafia in a game with Drunk and poisoning, but if you can poison the person who’s definitely going to get a check on you, and the alternative seemingly already doesn’t trust their info… why not go for poisoning a check that will definitely be on you, from someone who has already given what seems like true info and is likely to be trusted?]]

 

[Zdrmonster]

@Dragonfree
FINALLY something that makes sense without the idea of there being no scum at all! But can I change vote at any time while being alive? I feel the ghost could still be wrong...

 

[Inkedust]

@Dragonfree
FINALLY something that makes sense without the idea of there being no scum at all! But can I change vote at any time while being alive? I feel the ghost could still be wrong...

You are allowed to vote as much as you'd like while alive. This includes changing your vote target. You only get one vote  after you die which can only be cast once and cannot be changed.

 

[Zdrmonster]

Alright Spectrier, you might be trustworthy but Madeline can wait... Care to explain yourself in a manner that ISN'T confusing? This does mean I might be joining a scum's train, but I feel I'm getting to the point where I can no longer care who wins this...

Vote Spectrier @Inkedust

 

[Flyg0n]

[[

Alright Spectrier, you might be trustworthy but Madeline can wait... Care to explain yourself in a manner that ISN'T confusing? This does mean I might be joining a scum's train, but I feel I'm getting to the point where I can no longer care who wins this...

Vote Spectrier @Inkedust

Just genuinely curious here, completely seperate from any suspicion or reads... is there a reason you think there isn't scum?

Dave isn't suggesting there's no scum btw, just explaining possible outcomes]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[

@Dragonfree
FINALLY something that makes sense without the idea of there being no scum at all! But can I change vote at any time while being alive? I feel the ghost could still be wrong...

Oh wait. I misread your post I'm stupid

Please ignore me hahaha]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

"Rocky still getting thoughts together," he said, scratching away in the dirt with one limb while addressing the group. "But Rocky wanted to think out loud on one thing:"

Scum!chibi would benefit from making everyone think Rui!Innocent though.

"What benefit does scum!chibi gain from this, question?"

"Rocky think it two things. 1. scum!chibi makes their fake claim seem real, as players realized Rui's claim was not correct. A reasonable conclusion is that Rui is the Drunk. Making a claim backed by this is safe. Safe."

"2. Lying about Drunk Rui means only scum team knows Drunk is still in play, and there is another player with unreliable information. This whether Rui is part of scum team or not. This *only* useful if scum team has Spy, otherwise *they* are also guessing who is Drunk, knowing it cannot be any of them."

"Rocky think Spy seems unlikely as Dave (Monk) was not immediately killed N1."

"Therefore, only one good reason for scum!chibi to lie about Rui read."

"However... Who is most dangerous player to scum team, question?"

He turned to look at Elgyem. "Empath dangerous, but only to neighbors. Other side of table safe." Then Morgan. "Fortune Teller dangerous to Demon only, must be good guesser. Low probability."

Rocky swiveled to look straight at Spectrier.

"Undertaker, if truthful, is MOST dangerous role to scum team, who would only be eliminated via execution, never night kill. Undertaker role that reads executed players, not night kills. If scum down one player, only two left, much more danger than if all team members alive. Scared Evil guys want threat gone. Especially if they still have way to confuse Town roles once Undertaker gone..."

Turning to regard Drake and Malachai. "Two fast votes for Spectrier. Two of the last claims of the group. Two claims that have no power and are unlikely to be targeted at night, explaining why player might not be eliminated by night kill. Hmm, Rocky seeing a pattern here..."

"Still going through likely and impossible Evil pairs, but right now Rocky just want players to think. Use brain. Do big science."

 

[Zdrmonster]

Just genuinely curious here, completely seperate from any suspicion or reads... is there a reason you think there isn't scum?

Dave isn't suggesting there's no scum btw, just explaining possible outcomes

[[I already said it was thrown off the window since Dave was killed, but basically... Nothing was making sense, and it was basically like if Madeline isn't the demon, no one is. This nearly confirmed it for me:]]

Rocky grunted and grumbled to himself, scribbling again on his diagram in the dirt. Now every character had some kind of marking over them, all Gs. He stomped his foot in frustration when he finished.

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"Yes yes, need three Evils. Rocky know that this diagram wrong. Too many Good guys. New Good guys today need to start poking holes in other Good guy claims." He stared hard at Drake with his ear holes. "You keep telling everyone else how they wrong. Lots of what if. Don't need to brain galaxy. Start small. Need to start finding lies of others instead of saying no to everything."

[[Also, before Dave was killed, there were no other kills that would suggest there even are scum in the first place. Rui might've said it was impossible for there to be no scum, but they also basically say that it COULD be a possibility...]]

[[Fwiw, this was advertised as a basic game, so no, there’s no world where there are zero scum unless Inke lied about this being a vanilla setup and this game has what is called a “bastard mod” where the mod can straight up lie to people in-game. If this was a game of no scum, it would have been advertised as role madness or, at the very least, an uncommon setup.

For that reason, it’s not really worth analyzing Inke’s posts for game hints, either. Flavor is just flavor from the GM. It’s far more beneficial to analyze the players’ posts for information.]]

[[Realistically, would a game that outright stats there's no scum even be a game? I feel the whole "bastard mod" thing is still possible.]]

 

[Persephone]

"Obviously there's someone sinister afoot. How else did Dave get attacked last night?"

[[Free, as much as I like the exoneration, I think it's also quite possible that if I were scum, the mafia might not realize that Elgyem had claimed empath and not fortune teller or washerwoman. I still would have poisoned them N1 since they were making the strongest inforole claim, but it's not entirely out of the question that mafia would go for Chibi or Morgan instead.

With that said, as scum, I personally would have done something like:

N0: Poison Chibi or Dragonfree, but only because I didn't know Shiny Phantump had blood on the clocktower experience. If someone else did, I would go for them.

N1: We know they tried to kill Sindy. I would have poisoned aer.

N2: Kill Dragonfree. Poison... well, if we were to assume that none of the info roles were scum, probably poison Morgan.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I already said it was thrown off the window since Dave was killed, but basically... Nothing was making sense, and it was basically like if Madeline isn't the demon, no one is. This nearly confirmed it for me:]]

[[Yeah I get you now. It was my bad, I misreading your posts

It is very confusing lol and a chaotic game, definitely hard to follow. This has lots more misinformation than a usual mafia, heh]]

"Yeah," Drake sneered, "Like I'd ever team up with the creepy bat. Stuff it you dumb rock."

[[I am SO SORRY I am NOT trying to be mean I love you Rocky, Drake can gargle needles.

Will try to catchup on more posts tomorrow if not tonight, I'm lowkey beat and haven't been getting enough sleep. Watch me be a liar and still awake later]]

 

[Inkedust]

[[Realistically, would a game that outright stats there's no scum even be a game? I feel the whole "bastard mod" thing is still possible.]]

Also to nip this right in the bud: No, this is not a bastard game. The setup (which can be found in my opening post) is based on Blood on the Clocktower's standard script.

 

[Shiny Phantump]

I must stress this to @ everyone that its completely random so we don't know the configuration balance between outsiders (unless im grievously misunderstanding you)

[[You are, the key context being that I'm replaying to someone talking about whether Mayor, on account of being pretty bad in this format, is in the pool. The exact roles chosen are random. (i.e. Mayor is in the pool, we cannot discount its existence purely on account of it being adaptationally weaker in this variant where it logically cannot go off unless you killed all minions and fail to kill the demon specifically.) The distribution Townfolk/Outsiders/Minions/Demon is confirmed nonrandom.]]

.... Okay I... I don't really like this whole thing of inspecting only one player at a time. Thats less intel overall and even with the risk of poison and drunk to keep doing this three days in a row doesn't feel great at all. And you were provoking our doctor to claim? Even with my letting misplays slide (goodness knows I misplayed) checking me to corrobarate and then only Chibi?

"It's called more precise information, thank you very much~ On night zero, I target two people and got a redcheck. Night one, I narrowed the results. Would you have rather I tried to figure out who was causing me to redcheck by adding new confounding variables? And tonight, I inspected two people I thought might be evils to see if anything they said lined up. It does but given this places the results of the horse and I are in agreement while Elegym also seems unpoisoned, I'm unnerved. Not like the Poisoner just got the flu and took some PTO, after all."

[[One of the GM tips for the Fortune Teller is that you can even fuck with a skilled FT by making them their own false positive to fuck with them when try to inspect themself + one other player for more precise info, which is why I used Rocky instead. I actually changed my second N1 target from myself to Rocky last second after remembering reading that.]]

- On N2 they probably would have poisoned Morgan again, the one with the most dangerous info role to them (Elgyem only sees her neighbors, both of whom had ultimately gotten read as town yesterday so they’d be harder to frame at this point).

This all lines up. All info discrepancies are accounted for, and the mafia’s actions make sense in each case. If this is what happened, Madeline is innocent, and Morgan’s result that neither Drake nor Spectrier was the Demon is pretty likely a poisoned one. This implies Spectrier being pretty likely Demon.

"I've been turning this over in my head, honestly. 'Cause I pretty clearly fired a warning shot for who I was about to inspect last night, too, which makes the threat a bit more timely. Seeing the horse try to construct a reality in which they are innocent, and serving up reheated leftovers from my currently critically-damaged theory from last night hasn't exactly put my mind at ease either."

Poison Chibi or Dragonfree, but only because I didn't know Shiny Phantump had blood on the clocktower experience. If someone else did, I would go for them.

[[I don't believe I mentioned this before N0, so it wasn't a known variable for poisoners until D1/N1.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

Realistically, would a game that outright stats there's no scum even be a game? I feel the whole "bastard mod" thing is still possible.

[[Inke's already addressed it as far as this game is concerned but if you're curious for academic purposes, a game with no scum would be still be declared up front as a "bastard game" with likely little to no elaboration— the world of bastard mafia is broad and dense, so the players wouldn't be able to deduce from that alone exactly what the twist it. In other words, particularly bastard games still have an up-front "YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN FROM NOW ON" disclaimer, you don't just toss those kinds of mechanics into a normal game.]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

[[So I really, truly believe without a shadow of a doubt that Tetra is scum. Her play today has been extreme flailing and giving off every mark of a desperate scum with nothing to lose. So, I analyzed her posts Day 2 with the assumption that she is scum and paid attention to who she interacted with.

Her interactions with Phan don’t ping me as scum buddies, especially because she puts Phan under scrutiny and heavily encourages a Madeline elimination so Aer can read Phan. This could be a bus strategy, but I don’t see any valid reason for it. It’s way too straightforward and risky for scum?

Tetra and Persephone could be scum buddies, but that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either, with how willing Tetra was to eliminate her right from the start.

Now, on to a few of uA’s posts. I’m still not 100% certain they are scum, but the relationship between them and Tetra is off to me.

Yeah my whole argument for the honse hinges on being neighbours with the honse. Sind's hard-confirmed, I trust zdr enough, I'm town, I have a null read on Chibi, therefore it's probably Chibi.

Firstly, they base their entire suspicion of Chibi on D2 around the assertion that they are town and Wind’s hint was true. Nothing about their actual play style, though there’s since been elaboration on that.

Malachai met the Mismagius' gaze with an even one of his own, then bowed lightly.

"I appreciate your trust, Morgan. I can promise you that you will not regret it. I only hope you are worth the trust I am placing in you."

Soft claim with Morgan. This is before Free claims Monk. Keeping cards close to chest.

And.... Dave might be our Monk or its Dave/Malachai as at least two scum with the Monk role and the reason nobody died is because with a Monk fakeclaim abstaining from killing can justify the existence of a Monk?? Unless the kill was redirected?]]

This is the one and only time that Tetra has directed any suspicion at uA. Tetra has pointed fingers quite literally everywhere else—me, Chibi, Phan, Persephone, and has even directed suspicion at Pano at least two or three times. Has even questioned whether Watt’s hint could be trusted or if he was poisoned. But there are four people Tetra never pointed a finger at: Sind and Zdr, who are hard confirmed town, and uA and Aer, who are not confirmed town, yet somehow never came under her scrutiny.

Only Tetra (Flyg0n) and I have yet to claim. Starting to wonder if it's for the best if we both just fucking claim at this point...

The second Free claims, uA is quick to suggest a massclaim, which is a pretty sharp about-face from earlier. If their role is so beneficial to town that it shouldn’t be revealed, why suddenly suggest a massclaim? Why not leave scum guessing, like Tetra (very adamantly) insisted?

I also find it a little odd that Tetra didn’t direct any suspicion at uA for this suggestion despite being VERY opposed to it. She was adamant that it would only be beneficial for scum to do so, but didn’t accuse uA of any scummy motivations. I could be tunneling here, but this feels very much like two scum mates with no day chat trying to communicate without looking obvious.

Well, that makes no sense to me at all. I tried very hard to get the rat killed, and it's not as if it even bought me any real credibility.

This is simply not true. You pivoted to Chibi and stayed on Chibi until 30 minutes before EoD.

Undertaker, if truthful, is MOST dangerous role to scum team,

Precisely! Of all the roles left, this one is the most threatening to scum!

Turning to regard Drake and Malachai. "Two fast votes for Spectrier. Two of the last claims of the group. Two claims that have no power and are unlikely to be targeted at night, explaining why player might not be eliminated by night kill. Hmm, Rocky seeing a pattern here..."

Yes, I noticed this too. Also notable is the way uA immediately backed off of Chibi once Tetra voted for them, because Tetra was being far too obvious and giving scum flags in her vote. uA knew how this looked and they have since backed off the Chibi train significantly.

Again: I could be completely, totally wrong here. But I am VERY convinced that Tetra is scum, and if so, we do NOT want to vote out anyone she is gunning for!!!]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

Rocky perked upright with a startled screech. "Wait! Rocky found smoking weapon. Weapon? Gun? Smoking gun? Rocky find evidence to trust Phase Change Spectrier."

Drawing in the dirt, Rocky made a rough looking timeline of sorts.

"Right after Rui claims Investigator information, Spectrier make these two posts:

Spoiler: The posts

Spectrier perked up. "Ohh, this is very very useful..."

The way he could see it, there were several options:

- Either Squirtle or Plusle is evil. This would be the best case!
- Leafeon got poisoned. This would need very bad luck.
- Leafeon was drunk. Also would need very bad luck
- Leafeon is lying. That would be very risky! Unless...

Spectrier wanted to think about this carefully: it would be very very risky for the evil people to claim this, unless they knew it would not be questioned by a real Investigator. This would require that Leafeon herself to be a Spy, because if one of her teammates were the spy instead, she would not have heard about the spying-results yet? That sounded correct.

Spectrier shook his head to clear away his thoughts. "I want to trust Leafeon. Maybe she could be a fake, but we don't know yet, so this is our only lead. It's more likely that she is telling the truth, I think."

He also really trusted Mismagius now too! The fact that she had voted for Plusle without a second thought showed that she wasn't afraid, which was important.

Spectrier realized he was wrong about this, which made him feel foolish.



"Ohh, but then... if the drunk needs to get a fake token, which is unique... does that mean the evil people would also get fake tokens that would be unique?"

The Ink-spirit had said that the evil people would get fake claims, so that could be another way that they could know there was no Investigator, not just having a Spy.

"But... I still want to trust Leafeon right now. She could be wrong, or lying, but so could anyone." He pawed at the ground with a hoof. "If we never trusted anyone because they could be wrong or lying, we wouldn't get very far, ohh..."

Both posts are before we discover Rui information bad. No way for Spectrier to know Rui information is wrong, even thinking about if Rui were bad guy! No way for Spectrier to know fake-claim of Undertaker will be for Drunk!Rui here. If Spectrier was bad, it would be just as easy to claim Rui was bad guy and not Drunk. If Rocky were bad!Spectrier, this what Rocky would do, make Good guys think there one less bad guy out there after Rui eliminated.

Only way possible this is part of Evil!Spectrier plan is if Spectrier is Spy, but then why Spectrier not shoot Monk N1? Rocky know Spectrier is good enough player to know that that would be smartest move. Rocky does not think Spectrier is Spy. Therefore plan to lie about Rui after elimination not real."

Rocky stamped the ground with conviction.

"Then right after, Spectrier votes for Watt, trusting Rui and Elgyem information, making softclaim that there is a role to check Watt's alignment once they are eliminated. Not Rui! What would Spectrier fake claim be for Watt if we eliminated them instead of Rui? Spectrier believes Rui, doesn't want to disbelieve her. Does not sound like a bad guy waiting to pin fake Drunk role on a player."

"Someone double check Rocky logic, please. Rocky want to catch bad voters for Spectrier handed red. Bad bad bad bad bad--"

[[Please sanity check me here, I want to know if this is something or not, because I am uncomfy with this vote train on Chibi right now.]]