[Town victory] Vanilla Mafia!

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[
It's somewhat late for me so I won't be staying around to post, but--

Pretty sure Steven was a Cop RIP

No Lovers gone though?
]]

[[Cop is a threat, lovers are a source of enduring contention if left alive and can be easily killed later after nabbing power roles]]

[[No SK kill??]]

[[Either the SK and Mafia both targeted Steven, or one of their targets got healed.]]

Town-ish:
Equitial (ilybb)

[[I know this is an 'ish', but... why?]]

Neutral:
HelloYellow - Seems Townie, but stressed that anyone with info that won’t kill them should share it. Possible Mafia scouting for powers?
Sind and Pixie - No way we got two lover pairs, and this one felt like a last second gambit. However the execution of it was stellar. However however, if Mafia has an outside of game channel, it would be super easy to alert them thru it.

[[Yellow is just new and desperate for info. Two lover-mason pairs seems in character for Namo.]]

Mafia-ish:
Shiny Phantump - The rules post had some very sneaky additions and omissions to it
Chibi Palkia

[[Ha, no way. They're my strongest townreads. What additions and omissions? Why Chibi?]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Also you can check the edited stamp on the rulespost and see that, no, it hasn't actually been edited at all since roles came out? Or is the implication that I cheated and edited something of mine? Because that would be a) impossible in the subforum and b) would presumably get reverted, or worse, get me godkilled.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[This is why Chibi is neutral for me, because other than voting for Pory first, they’ve been VERY neutral and noncommittal the rest of the time, saying lots of things without really saying too much.]]

[[They're saying quite a lot, actually. I personally think the Pory vote hard clears them whether you think they're saying anything of consequence or not, but my familiarity with Chibi's mafia philosophy lets me reaad the dogposting as very on point all the time.]]

“Wait a second—didn’t Mike say he was bulletproof? Either one of you is lying or we have two people with bulletproof…”

[[I am reasonably certain we could have as many as two town, one scum bulletproof, tbh.]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[I know this is an 'ish', but... why?]]

[[Re-reading D1, I though they softclaimed cop during their power-swapping tirade. As of now, I'm neutral-leaning-to-town on them. I think claiming doc is super bold, but Equitial and I posted accidentally corroborating posts within a minute of each other (I suspected a doc-block, they admitted to doc and making a lovers block).]]

[[Yellow is just new and desperate for info. Two lover-mason pairs seems in character for Namo.]]

[[Hence neutral. I'm also now a little sus of them not wanting to join the Altair train, and so strongly defending them.]]

[[Ha, no way. They're my strongest townreads. What additions and omissions? Why Chibi?]]

[[Off the top of my head: leaving out that SK couldn't be RC'd and adding that all vanilla got hints are the two biggest ones.]]

 

[Fusion]

[[So yeah, I guess I'll claim now so that we don't waste time on theorising why only one person died last night. Altair is, or rather was Bulletproof. I was one of the targets. If I had to guess, I might've been the SK's target as Pano was hinting towards an info-role but I can't be certain.]]

Altair is the Serial Killer with OS-Bulletproof as a modifier.

[[Either the SK and Mafia both targeted Steven, or one of their targets got healed.]]

"Assuming Altair is to be trusted entirely, then it seems that they were targeted in the night, potentially. Although they claim to have been targeted by a Mafia Role Cop, which they accuse Anti to be. However... I believe my Voice was told this was supposed to be a "Beginner's Game," and he and a few others thought that modifiers like that might be too much for such a thing. We won't know until the end, however."

"Since Altair believes to be at the end of his rope and willing to assist town, I'd like to ask him who he targeted within the night."

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[I don't follow.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[Pardon me. I don't follow Home Depot's reasoning about why Lyn/Hazel are sus.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Neither am I. I've been ignoring it tbh since it seems to be premised on the idea that I am cheating?]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

(on a minor note I would like to add that its possible Chibi voted pory to avoid suspicion and sacrifice mafia, as I do recal someone saying sacrificial lamb mafia plays are a thing. BUT this is just the softest of thoughts and I'm not at all certain.

[[Mafia throw people under the bus sometimes to look good in front of town, but Chibi is about ten times smarter than starting a vote wagon on Pory in the early game when the numbers matter so much. Bussing is about balancing cost and risk and social credit, and doing it to someone who's currently not getting noticed so early on just makes the game harder for scum. Nah. "Someone spotted that Pory was unhelpful and could easily be lying" is best explained by "Chibi is good at spotting weak town posts like the last four games they were in" and not "the mafia would do this."]]

 

[Fusion]

[[Pardon me. I don't follow Home Depot's reasoning about why Lyn/Hazel are sus.]]

[[I wanted to keep all my posts IC today but I gotta say calling Home that killed me]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

Hazel had found tonight harder than the last. All on her own again, this time she had felt even lonelier than before... Too much thinking about "lovers" and love had left her feeling more isolated. She stuck close by Jean, Salem and Ebony. Being with friends would make her feel better. She hoped neither of them noticed she wasn't feeling so well beneath the helmet.

Jean watched her anxiously from Ebony's side, initially wrestling with her desire to keep warm and comfy with the Fire-type - but then moved over to throw her arms around Hazel's neck, burying her face in her strange feather collar. "It's going to be okay."

Ebony huddled close to Jean (she was part Vulpix, but she wasn't warm like one...) Then Jean went to give Hazel a hug, so Ebony could curl up next to them both. And... maybe when Salem woke up, she'd want to join them!

Salem remained quiet and still in the ambient body heat of the allies she trusted best, and let the Voice that had been guiding her take over. They had beenpushing her to do a lot of thinking for herself before, but after not knowing who to sacrifice, sacrificing someone playing for the killers by chance, and then learning that they didn't even know they were a killer...? She didn't have the will to argue anything right now. The Voice could do that for her, while she tried to feel safer by pressing up against whichever of her hopefully-honest friends was most amenable to her presence.

"I think we're getting closer to solving this," she offered, after the chaotic discourse began to stabilise. "Maybe most of us will end up okay."

 

[AbraPunk]

Off the top of my head: leaving out that SK couldn't be RC'd and adding that all vanilla got hints are the two biggest o

Kent heard one of the... what did everyone call them? Guardian voices? Something like that.

He heard one nearby, and knew it belonged to Mike. Hmm. "Hey, Mike," he called, although weakly; it would probably take until tomorrow for his voice to be healed. "You wanna come kick the shit out of me? Figured you'd want to, after... y'know, everything I've done."

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[I wanted to keep all my posts IC today but I gotta say calling Home that killed me]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[Pardon me. I don't follow Home Depot's reasoning about why Lyn/Hazel are sus.]]

[[Gimme two seconds to check the OP because aaaaa character names]]

[[Ah right Phant, okay. Tbh it was mostly the weird little things here and there in the rules explanation they posted. I'm on my phone but I believe I already cited the two biggest ones. And tbh, I'm only sus of them at this point.]]

 

[Homestar!]

Kent heard one of the... what did everyone call them? Guardian voices? Something like that.

He heard one nearby, and knew it belonged to Mike. Hmm. "Hey, Mike," he called, although weakly; it would probably take until tomorrow for his voice to be healed. "You wanna come kick the shit out of me? Figured you'd want to, after... y'know, everything I've done."

"No talking until the magic hat goes on, Frigimon," Mike miked ministry. He pulled off a shoe, then a sock, rolled the sock into a tight ball, and perched it on the top of the snowman on the top of the cube.

 

[Homestar!]

[[Mike miked *mikishly]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[Nah]]

 

[Homestar!]

[[Nah]]

[[That's fair. It's a very weak read.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Mafia throw people under the bus sometimes to look good in front of town, but Chibi is about ten times smarter than starting a vote wagon on Pory in the early game when the numbers matter so much. Bussing is about balancing cost and risk and social credit, and doing it to someone who's currently not getting noticed so early on just makes the game harder for scum. Nah. "Someone spotted that Pory was unhelpful and could easily be lying" is best explained by "Chibi is good at spotting weak town posts like the last four games they were in" and not "the mafia would do this."]]

[[That generally tracks! Thanks for the clarification]]

 

[Dragonfree]

But I'm not really seeing a scum cop make a play like this if scumteam haven't already identified and offed the town cop.

[[To be fair, Steven, who many of us believe was some form of cop, did just get killed. (By Altair according to his own account, granted, but suppose the mafia gambled on the serial killer going for him...?) Not at all sure I believe that's what happened, but it was one of my kneejerk what-if thoughts when I first read windskull's claim.]]