Day recap (so far):
Hiiiiiiiiii! I’m Madeline. Nice to meet you all!
Madeline/Persephone first post
Elgyem is shocked upon seeing Zevya's broken arm. It looks pretty bad... and the emera was gone. What did it feel like when one of those were destroyed? Probably nothing good.
Elgyem/Aer first post
Huh?! Hmm, I guess I should start... Hey, Odette! ...I guess that's what your name is... What do you do around here?
Hareta/Zdrmonster first post, includes addressing me. Still not entirely sure what to make of that, struck as a little odd, but I took it as RP.
Anyways this is going to be interesting. No role reveal upon death is really gonna shake stuff up, Hmmm... I gotta think about this]
Drake/Flyg0n first post
[[I don't know how to metacomment on setup in-character since diagetically the setup seems to be random, so before I start playing Morgan here's some of the thoughts I have:
Voting in BotC works differently than in forum mafia: At the end of the day, living players can nominate people to vote for, then everyone gets to vote on that nominee one at a time until once nobody else is nominated and the nominee with the most votes dies. One of the core downsides of Butler isn't just "you have to not vote if your target doesn't vote" which is meaningless, but also "you can only vote for the specific people your target did." Also, Butlers aren't allowed to self-confirm by failing to vote, if they illegally vote the GM has to count it and if you do that on purpose it's cheating, which would be a nightmare to administrate in an environment where the target can change their vote and unvote at any time in the day and the Butler can potentially not check the forum/sleep through day end. $20 says this one isn't actually in the 'real' pool of roles that were assigned.
In a game of this size and where we're only playing once I'd also almost guarentee that a
Scarlet Woman (Backup Imp, in Mafia terms) is in the setup. Otherwise any D1 kill could randomly hit the Imp and end the game even faster than our last Mafia. I'd also encourage everyone here who has only played Mafia to read the
Poisoner page becase it could surprise you, it will scream "weird bastard role" to Mafia players but as someone whose BotC experience is a couple rookie games, I have seen it appear every single time. It's standard. Hell, I'd give it >50% odds that our scumteam is
specifically Imp, Scarlet Woman, Poisoner. Imp, Scarlet Woman, Baron is second place. All other setups fall into "Doesn't have Scarlet Woman" or "Does have Spy" which would both really fuck with me.
Morgan/Shiny Phantump techyposting--gonna be honest, I know you're imploring veterans but as a veteran, my brain shut off reading all of that. Gonna go out on a limb and say that you're
Soft Townsfolk solely on your repeated insistence that we watch our meta. Or you're galaxybraining to all fucking hell right now. Don't have enough info to say yet.
Spectrier couldn't remember how he'd gotten here. He did have something of a fondness for poking his nose into strange locations. It wasn't as if walls could keep him out, and he had little to fear, given his situation.
Spectrier/Chibi Pika first post.
[Just a quick intro post on my lunch break. I'm checking in periodically and I'll try to get more into the nitty-gritty of gameplay tonight.]
Watt/windskull first post. Should note that they never got into the nitty-gritty of the gameplay.
Malachai drew himself up and wrapped his wings about him, before surveying the other players.
Malachai/unrepentantAuthor first post
"Amaze, amaze, amaze! Ground look like medium rough texture but ~OUHH~ it so soft! Grace never tell Rocky Earth was so soft!"
Rocky/Panoramic_Vacuum first post
So who's the Virgin around here? Trying to make more conversation here...
Another post from Hareta/Zdrmonster poking for a role reveal (of a role that probably should not actually reveal yet), but for now, I'm going to chalk this up to newbie play. I could see how a newbie would look at the Virgin role and think it should be claimed off the bat (and I'm not saying this to be mean, I promise)
[[I've only played mafia myself, not Blood on the Clocktower. Could be good to get an idea of who's familiar with this form of the game.]]
Dave/Dragonfree first post; asks people to say whether or not they've played BotC before.
"Oh, our Better Odds" [[Investigator]] "info would be nice to have right now, if we have that."
Morgan/Shiny Phantump spectating which roles would be worth revealing now.
[just want to acknowledge that I am present, I have just been very very busy today. Will sit down and digest backlog and post before I go to bed tonight]
Odette/Sind E. Rella makes her first post
"Woah dude. You sure its such a good idea for this, uh, virgin to go and out themself out the gate. If one of us does have the targeted attack emera, it feels like that might be information to hold close to the chest. At least until we have a bit more information to work with." He closed his eyes, shook his head and chuckled, going to stick his hands in his pockets before remembering that he didn't have any. Huh, that was going to take some getting used to.
[I'm familiar with botct in name only, never had the chance to play it before myself.]
Another post from Watt/Windskull calling out Hareta/Zdrmonster for their role poke. Has never played BotC.
I actually feel like lynching feels... less useful here than mafia no? (though I notoriously despise day 1 lynches lol). I mean we don't even get any info because their role isn't revealed when they die, so it seems like we should try to be way more careful, right? If we lose one of our good powers than we're really in a jam, and we can't even confirm info.
I skimmed the wiki but I barely understand anything or my role but this will be fun.
But uh... feels like maybe we shouldn't be hasty to claim roles
Drake/Flyg0n speculation on lynching. Has never played BotC and seems unfamiliar with the mechanics as of now.
Spectrier shook his head gloomily. "I haven't."
"If everyone who started out knowing things all said those things right away, that might not be good, because it would tell the evil-people who not to kill or poison. They would know that there was no point to target the people who started out knowing things, because they don't get to do anything at night. So, they could just target anyone else instead..."
But out of all of them, 'Better Odds' would be the most useful right away. The others could wait and corroborate someone else's claim once the time came.
Spectrier/Chibi Pika has never played BotC. Speculation on revealing.
"I always waffle between going for elimination on the first day in other games like this, but considering death allegedly doesn't promptly remove somebody from the game, I'm a little more open to it...however, also considering the eliminated lose their powers, and there's a chance of eliminating a power that is waaaaay more useful to us alive than dead, I become hesitant again."
Odette/Sinderella voices waffling on whether or not to vote. Forgot to highlight this, but has never played BotC.
[[Maybe I shouldn't be giving a 'how 2 scumteam' tutorial but I think it's important for town to really think about what the evil player's incentives are bc we've got plenty of clever people in this game, I think the evil team will put their heads together and feel out what they should do intuitively over time one way or another. Meanwhile, if we all try to play Mafia, then we probably just lose. One or two Townfolk claims on day 1 in BotC is healthy and 0 would be hurting our ability to gamesolve more than the evils' ability to kill us. If we (hypothetically speaking, since I will not let this happen) tried to go full Mafia cold war and have no claims D2 either and being stuck until D3 then we'd almost certainly have thrown the game. Outlander claims to get an idea of how many are accounted for can often also be wise, especially because claiming Dizzying Payback/Saint after you're ahead in the vote, or Intimidator/Recluse after someone pings you as evil are ultra-sus as last-second claims! If you have one of these two roles please consider the awful optics of being forced to claim them last-second.
More techyposting from Morgan/Shiny Phantump
- Townsfolk is pretty self explanatory.
- Outsiders feel like TPs, but I'm not sure their powers constitute any sort of additional wincon that we sometimes see in TPs? As in, there isn't an additional anti-town faction. Could be mistaken, but Outsiders seem to exist just to confuse the issue/obfuscate information gathering and add extra, less-critical targets for the Demon to potentially hit.
- Minions seem like they're mafia goons with powers that aren't killing
- and the Imp/Demon is the main bad guy with the killing powers.
Rocky/Panoramic_Vacuum muses upon how the role groups work
[[OOC: Sleepy tonight... Putting in my second post now so I don't miss the d1 deadline in case i forget to reply tomorrow]]
Elgyem/aer just gets in a second post
Also: I have played BoTC in person a few times, but not enough to be deeply familiar with every role. I’ll probably be consulting the wiki a lot, haha.]]
[[Role claiming Investigator. I was told either @windskull or @Zdrmonster is the Scarlet Woman, who is a Demon. But Drunk/Poisoned is in play so my info might not be accurate.]]
Rui/HelloYellow17 first post; has played BotC but not intensely; still mostly unfamiliar.
Then goes into role reveal--she is an Investigator and has clocked Watt/Windskull or Hareta/Zdrmonster as potentially being the Scarlet Woman, a minion who becomes the Imp when the Imp dies.
If the scum does have poison it feels low odds they'd have hit our investigator. Uhmm... Hm Idk even know if Poison can be active night 0? so maybe we don't even have to worry until night 1? Unless this is a fakeclaim but that feels like an insane gambit and idont think so. Okay okay let me try and get back to this on lunch break]]
Drake/Flyg0n makes more speculation
Hareta and
Watt, would either of you like to roleclaim, if either of you aren't the Scarlet Woman Demon?
@Inkedust If there was a Spy, would they have received the information about all the town's roles last night? Or would they not have it yet?
Elgyem/aer implores Watt/Windskull and Hareta/Zdrmonster to roleclaim. Also asks Inke about a Spy role.
@Inkedust VOTE: WATT / WINDSKULL
Morgan/Shiny Phantump casts vote for Watt/Windskull
"Other player may know better than Rocky, though. This my first game of this kind."
"But Investigator can be Drunk! Drunk. No understand word. All Rocky know is that Rocky cannot be Drunk!"
Rocky/Panoramic_Vacuum has never played BotC. Also claims that they know they cannot be Drunk. Potential allusion to role?
[[Ah shit I'm supposed to be annotating all my role mentions with both names and ideally a Mafia equivilent if there is one but I have Forgotten To Do This Big Time. My apologies. Prolong is Scarlet Woman is the backup Demon. (Since killing the Demon otherwise ends the game that's hugely important) Awakening is Imp is the only Demon role in this game so those are gonna get used interchangeably.
"It's fine, don't worry. I don't see why Better Odds [Investigator] couldn't be hit with Dizzying Stare [Poisoner] but it'd be a random blind shot. [This is true. Both powers activate on N0, and Poisoner moves first.] They can also be Drunk." Technically that one was called Lucky Charm but since that felt like a misnomer, Morgan decided to call that one the same thing everyone else was. Seemed like every social deduction game in every universe felt like that role should be called the Drunk. "In fact, since we haven't had a single Outcast claim yet, we probably do have a Drunk."
More Morgan/Shiny Phantim techyposting
The way he could see it, there were several options:
- Either Squirtle or Plusle is evil. This would be the best case!
- Leafeon got poisoned. This would need very bad luck.
- Leafeon was drunk. Also would need very bad luck
- Leafeon is lying. That would be very risky! Unless...
Spectrier wanted to think about this carefully: it would be very very risky for the evil people to claim this, unless they knew it would not be questioned by a real Investigator. This would require that Leafeon herself to be a Spy, because if one of her teammates were the spy instead, she would not have heard about the spying-results yet? That sounded correct.
Spectrier shook his head to clear away his thoughts. "I want to trust Leafeon. Maybe she could be a fake, but we don't know yet, so this is our only lead. It's more likely that she is telling the truth, I think."
Spectrier/Chibi Pika makes some speculation on the possibilities of Rui/HelloYellow17's roleclaim. Is more inclined to believe she is telling the truth.
[[OOC: I've played Town of Salem/mafia before but not the clocktower game. Which is part of why I'm covering my head in my hands in overthinking right now. Also I was writing this post last night before things started happening. The next one will be more important.]]
Elgyem/aer has never played BotC.
"Woah woah woah, time out here! Give me a sec." He held up his hands in a placating gesture. "Look, I was hoping to hold on to my cards for a bit longer, but I'm happy to claim I need to. But I know I'm not the Prolong Emera holder. Which means, aside from the risky play of lying or having long information, makes me quite certain Hareta is. So!"
He spun around to face the squirtle. "What's you're excuse?"
Next, his attention turned to Spectrier. He nodded along with his assessment. It felt logical, and for the moment, at least, he had a good feeling about him.
"You know what? I'm going to put my money where my mouth is."
Vote: Hareta/ZDRmonster
Watt/Windskull casts vote for Hareta/Zdrmonster while also offering to roleclaim. But doesn't before casting the vote. Has still yet to offer any insight.
Personally I lean toward Zrd. Looking back Zrd opens by asking Odette about her role and then suggesting the virgin step forward if we have one. that feels weird
Anyways uh, I'm rereading posts and trying to vibe check... It doesn't feel like this is a good lie. Cause I mean, that'd be really risky to not pan out? Even if Uurrhhh I hate mislynches but that's the game. And at least nobody dies. Soo... Drunk or poison, if those are in play. Actually we don't even know we have a drunk. And a chance of poison if it's there on the first investigation seems so unlikely. The version where this is a lie doesn't add up to me to just come out of the gate with that. Unless it's a galaxy bus. Jesting.
Drake/Flyg0n seems to be leading Hareta/Zdrmonster as a vote for similar reasons that I'm wary. Also offers speculation on why Rui/HelloYellow17 might not be lying.
@Inkedust VOTE: WATT / WINDSKULL
Elygem/aer votes for Watt/windskull
“I don’t know how I feel about either of them, to be honest.” She glanced at the Squirtle. “It was…strange the way you asked for such an important person to reveal themselves. But you could have meant well. I mean, if you were a bad guy, it’s a really fast way to make you look suspicious.”
[[ VOTE: WATT/WINDSKULL]]
Rui/HelloYellow17 votes Watt/windskull
@Inkedust Vote Watt / Windskull
Madeline/Persephone votes Watt/Windskull