[COMPLETE] Humble Vale Mafia

[AbraPunk]

It's really unusual for vigilantes to get to shoot on N0, unless they're oneshot, in which case you'd think they wouldn't waste

[[ Gun Owner or something, then? Unless that's a subset of Vig ]]

 

[IFBench]

"hey now," said sans, leaning down to talk with Gen. "you're gonna be ok. you've got your new buddy, and you've got uncle sans here too," he says, winking. "you won't need to worry unless you've been trying to kill people, right?"

"B-but what if someone who i-isn't a killer d-dies?" Gen said, trembling. "I-I...I r-really don't want that to h-happen..."

 

[DawningWinds]

TL:DR, I was OS-BP and granted my buddy the same protection. Both got shot N0, leading me to believe that there might be two killing factions at play here—however, there are other possibilities for the second shot that shouldn't be discounted even if I find the two anti-town killing factions explanation to be most likely.

Well, I'd hazard a guess that there are two pairs of mafia in our group of twelve. That would fit the buddy system build laid out for us by the host! In that case, and assuming they have no other extra information, (which I think is likely, this early!) each scumteam has a one in ten chance of murdering any other person, scum or no, giving a hundred possible combinations of targets, including both teams targeting the same player.

No this is bad balance, there's not gonna be 4 anti-town in 12 players unless town is really strong. That's a third of the game, standard is a quarter. There's a pretty significant differences there.

[[Nah. One pair of scum, and a second pair of scum. It's a little like having a scumteam and an SK in vanilla. As far as I'm concerned, a third party with a buddy is another scumteam. It's my working assumption for now.]]

No. It's not. If there is a Serial Killer who has a town buddy, the town buddy is most assuredly not effectively a member of a second scumteam. The town buddy's wincon for their alignment is still to elinimate the Serial Killer, and the Serial Killer's wincon for their alignment is still to eliminate the town buddy. The only way the game can end with both alive is iff they are the only two alive, which isn't super likely, so it's still in the town buddy's best interest more likely than not during early game to focus on alignment-wincon over buddy wincon and to be willing to vote their buddy out if they have reason to believe they're a SK. And the SK buddy probably isn't going to admit that they're an SK to the buddy so it's not like their gonna be strategizing like a scumteam, their gonna be strategizing as one town and one person pretending to be town (so as far as town budy is concerned, two town), just like they are in the thread.

 

[DawningWinds]

F I meant to respond to Inke's thing I quoted to. Basically just saying prolly SK/maf shot same person by chance, but someone also mentioned gun owner so that's not impossible either.

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

Amy--a human girl, about thirteen or fourteen years old--stepped outside. Her arms hugged her middle tightly; she looked wide-eyed at all the people who were gathering.

She stopped, let out a beath. "Um, I'm here now, wherever this place is." She let out a nervous giggle. "Arrived last night, but I didn't really see anyone."

She cleared her throat. " I know we were all supposed to be assigned a partner. I was partnered with, um, Steven Stone." She said that name in a quieter tone of voice. "We...talked for a bit about what’s happening. I know this game isn’t really started yet, but so far he seems trustworthy to me. So, the rest of you, do any of your partners, um--who's with who, I guess I want to ask?"

A small tinkle rang through the morning air, followed by the sound of a door closing. Steven moved past the market's gaudy signboard advertising their 2-for-1 deals and approached the gathered group. He stopped at Amy's side, taking a careful sip from the to-go coffee cup in his hand. Still hot. "Apologies for my tardiness," he said, cradling the cup with both hands. "It's still early and, well, I had hoped to sneak in one bit of relaxation on this trip, since it seems unlikely it will be restful in the slightest."

He paused, taking another sip of coffee, longer this time. When he'd finished drinking, he seemed more relaxed, but only just. "I'm sure by now Amy has mentioned we are in the same suite at the inn. I can confirm she arrived not long after I went back to the room last night. We talked for a while before going to sleep." Steven looked down at the young girl next to him. Their conversation last night, and the green dress she wore today, it reminded her of another young trainer he'd met the last time he'd been put in this situation... If Amy was anything like her, well, Amy would be a good partner to have.

His gaze moved over to where the Yveltal had worn at path in the road with her pacing. He had to admit, even for a game of killing, going after a deity of death was a bold move. "I'm glad you're alright," he said. As much of a surprise as it was to have his vacation turned on its head like this, he still didn't want to see any of these strangers get hurt. "How fortunate that you were able to protect yourself and your roommate. Since you both were attacked, I guess we can get down to business and assume there are two parties able to attack others in the night."

A scowl crossed his face. "The group here is much smaller than the last time I was involved in one of these games. Having two people targeted each night is troubling. That being said, I have reason to believe we need to act carefully when it comes to finding and eliminating any potential suspects... Thankfully, everyone made it through the first night, which will help us to gather information."

Steven paused, taking another sip of coffee. The tension in his posture melted away.

Looking around, she saw at least one familiar face.

"Hello, Mr. Stone," she said, waving cautiously to Steven.

"Hello, Salem, was it?" A slight frown returned. He hadn't gotten the chance to properly introduce himself last time. His stay was... rather short. "I'd say it's good to see you again, but given the circumstances..."

Inwardly, he chastised himself. Salem looked nervous, and his pessimism certainly wasn't helping things. He glanced down at the rapidly shrinking coffee in his hand.

"I apologize for my mood. Perhaps this is a two-cup kind of morning. In any case, I look forward to working with you this game."

He gave Salem a smile that he hoped was reassuring, and turned to the rest of the group.

"I look forward to working with all of you to find and remove these killers from our midst."

 

[kyeugh]

[[Sortof annoyed that it doesn't seem like folks are getting the idea of 'two scumteams'. They wouldn't be allied to each other. It's an elegant possibility, albeit by no means certain. Anyway, if my hypothesis is right, and leaving aside how scum could end up in buddy systems when their scumbuddies die, then scum are incentivised to murder the enemy scumteam, slowing the game down. More like five nights, which sounds about right.]]

following most of this but unsure why they would be motivated to slow the game down/hunt for other-scum explicitly over just firing away as usual. does it not benefit both sides of scum to kill as much of the game as possible as quickly as possible? i feel like scum is more likely to be sussed out by town in a long game than shot by other-scum in a short game.

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

unless town is really strong.

[[It's role madness. So, yes.]]

The town buddy's wincon for their alignment is still to elinimate the Serial Killer, and the Serial Killer's wincon for their alignment is still to eliminate the town buddy.

[[My role PM said I could win if my buddy system survived to the end, even if a scum player got assigned to us. So, that sounds... different.]]

 

[AbraPunk]

It's role madness. So, yes

[[ when was this ever said? ]]

 

[Equitial]

[[ when was this ever said? ]]

same

 

[Equitial]

The roles for this game are unknown. Expect some shenanigans. Any information contained within your role PMs will always be truthful. Alignment flips will also be truthful.

THINGS THIS GAME MAY HAVE:

• Third parties
• Roles that can prank call certain players just for the giggles
• Queerplatonic Relationships
• A buddy system
• Alternative winning conditions
• Fun

this is all the sign-up post says

 

[Bluwiikoon]

"the boss is telling me he can neither confirm or deny role madness, which sure is helpful," commented sans, starting to hand out some freshly-cooked burgs. Condiments are also available on a small table.

 

[Equitial]

As the conversation started, the...skeleton..just continued flipping patties. Amy wasn't hungry, but seeing Steven with coffee, she asked, "Did you get that from a store?" She smiled. "Coffee calms me down too, though my parents say I shouldn't drink so much."

 

[Inkedust]

[[Going purely by numbers here and standard ratios of anti-town:town, if there are four anti-town players I feel that 3 Mafia and an SK is more likely than two scum-teams of two/a single four-person scum-team. However, at this point, I feel that we might start wasting time on the numbers over meaningfully scumhunting if we continue down this path.

Also roles being stated to be unknown can imply role-madness, so I don't blame uA for coming to that conclusion.]]

 

[IFBench]

At this point, Gen was having a full-blown panic attack, curled up and crying on the ground.

 

[AbraPunk]

At this point, Gen was having a full-blown panic attack, curled up and crying on the ground.

Palkia happened to glance over and saw the Oshawott, very clearly not having a good time. "Woah, you okay, dude?" He took a step toward the otter.

 

[IFBench]

"N-no...I-I'm r-really s-scared..." Gen stammered out.

 

[Bluwiikoon]

At this point, Gen was having a full-blown panic attack, curled up and crying on the ground.

You get some soft skeleton pats. "hey. i can't make promises i can't keep. but everyone around you... i know they're gonna do their best to find out who's a killer and who isn't. until then... all you can do, is try to make the most of it. enjoy your time here while you can."

He closes his eyes. "if something does happen to you... i'll be honest with ya, i have no power there. but i can make sure you don't remember it. that you don't feel any pain."

 

[DawningWinds]

My role PM said I could win if my buddy system survived to the end, even if a scum player got assigned to us. So, that sounds... different.]]

That's why I said *for their alignment*. In early game, with a wincon such as SK where no other faction can achieve alignment victory with you alive, it's better to focus on alignment victory than buddy victory, because there's a really good chance your buddy's gonna be dead by the time you win. And admitting to your buddy you're a SK seems a huge risk because I feel like most people are probably gonna inclined to focus on alignment victory over buddy victory, at least in early game.

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

As the conversation started, the...skeleton..just continued flipping patties. Amy wasn't hungry, but seeing Steven with coffee, she asked, "Did you get that from a store?" She smiled. "Coffee calms me down too, though my parents say I shouldn't drink so much."

Steven regarded Amy with thinly veiled surprise. "You drink coffee?" He wasn't sure when exactly he started drinking the stuff himself, but he was certain it wasn't that young. But, who was he to judge.

He finished his own cup with one more gulp and gestured to the market and it's obnoxious sale posters behind him. "They had a little cafe in there. They seem to sell just about anything

At this point, Gen was having a full-blown panic attack, curled up and crying on the ground.

Steven felt a pang of worry as the small oshawott sniffled and rocked back and forth. He raised his voice a little, as he added, "And I think they had quite an impressive candy display in there as well." A little softer, he continued, "If you'd like to get some candy, I'm happy to buy."

 

[Flyg0n]

Fry thought it fair to point out to the poor traumatized one called Gen that the best thing he could do was try to help everyone win. After all, if they could figure out who was in the pack of bad guys, they could protect the cool people.

Like perhaps that Cat Being. She might be some strange type of cat but she also seemed very sensible.