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Pokémon Will Somebody Stop These Kids?

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Dropping in for a quick comment to say that I read Chapter 3!

I found the depth added to Travis really interesting - he isn't ignorant of how his tough-talking comes off as posturing, but rather is painfully aware of it. The battle also felt genuinely perilous to me, possibly something to do with the mention of Wyvern's blood pumping under his thin exoskeleton making him seem so frail, and Derek coming in at the last second was a real relief. Of course, Wyvern is now locked in a weird ball and Travis is not taking it well. See my sadwott react.

I hope to get to Chapter 4 soon!
 

Flyg0n

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Finally binged the rest of the fic! Some rambles below.

These kids were not in fact stopped! :quag:

Those were an amazing last few chapters and a fantastic climax. It really felt like a domino moment of all the bits falling into place, both on a character level and a physical powers level. It's honestly awesome and well-executed, especially given the lower power and lower stakes vibe of this fic.

I loved the sort of pseudo non-chronological approach, interspersing the linear story plot with character-based flashbacks. It works super good to setup the conflicts and unpack the character drama without losing track of the main narrative. Each character chapter felt relevant to the story as a whole as well and played into that domino chain of effect. Tyranitar, Krissy's issues, Travis and Jason's dynamic.

I really enjoyed especially the flashbacks with Krissy because she's my fav (we stan some daddy issues girls who are tough and kinda ruthless). And the Whirl Islands chapter has got to be my other most fav. Not only does it give us a taste of a sense of danger and risk and legends but it also sets up how Derek, Hanna and Jen's journeys mirror the kids. They got into plenty of trouble and danger of their own, and that shaped their outlooks.

Speaking of that, I love how it comes together in the end, when they go to save Derek. Empowering the kids and encouraging them that they are capable, and at the end of the day toeing delicate yet extremely important line really well. "Never do anything and wrap kids in bubble wrap" is just as bad imo as "let (actual) kids fight criminal gangs". Kids need to get into a healthy amount of scraps and traipse wilderness a bit, touch grass and figure stuff out. I'm so glad they have family in their lives in the form of Jen and Hanna who remember this and want this for them.

Kids are also a TON more capable than the modern western civilization gives them credit for. Yes they need supervision and guidance and dont know half as much as some think they do, but they can do so much if given the chance. Repeating their rather reckless actions here would be bad but they did manage to save Wyvern (😭) and that means something too.

Aside from the fighting dangerous gangs bit, I am reminded a lot specifically of equestrian sports in how pokemon training is in this world for kids. Equestrian sports, even with modern safety measures, carry a unique level of danger to them since you're working with a living animal. But being able to have a chance to do sports or activities or group things is worth it. The fear of danger and need to never experience even one tough situation isn't healthy.

I think the ending does a great job wrapping it all up, showing how what they did was dangerous and they're very fortunate to be okay but also that its possible to move on from that with time, that they were able to keep their friendship and that training/journeying isn't bad.

Some other bits that are very good:

- Derek tilting into full suicidal recklessness is extremely juicy. that entire battle is *chefs kiss*. I love the progression, the giddy sort of realization and decision, then when the moments actually came he realized "wait hang on maybe I dont wanna die". I was slightly surprised that one of his driving motivations was fear of being fired/how he'd be perceived by others but its not unrealistic.

- Russo housing a ghost in his body is freakin PEAK oh my gosh . Thats an amazing idea . I need to steal it except I have nowhere to use it. I love it though, I love the realization and the weird power moment he had followed by the reveal. Up until that point the fic had been fairly down to earth (and still remained so) but I was like "????????????" what is he doing how does he have powers. Then i was like "OHHHH"

- I think the pokeball explanation is fascinating how its employed here. A mix of speed domestication with a dash of maybe brainwashing. What makes it more interesting is also how its treated in-universe as just the way things are. The explanation and platitudes with the understanding that people in the world might be slightly uncomfy but also how its necessary in its own way for the pokemons safety and the childs/trainers etc.
Without the magical overtones of the manga/games/anime it feels more like the gray area of how animals in our world are treated. Parrots, dolphins, dogs, horses and such are capable of displaying a lot of intelligence in different forms. We used to (in some places) "break" horses for example. Very different and harsher training methods than what might be recommended today. But that was sort of just how things were done, one way or another. Dogs too, we've developed and progressed on from or adapted a lot of different training methods. Some good, some bad.
In this way I think pokemon training and the use of the apricorn juice reminds me of this. Not quite as simple as writing it off as "evil" (since aside from maybe psychic types they seem hyper intelligent but not quite sapient as anime-mon) but uncomfy in a realistic sort of way. Maybe one day humans will find another even better way to tame pokemon.
[I do briefly find myself wondering upon reflection how necessary it is to address at all. Obviously you won't be editing this fic so this is a moot point but it occurs to me as a reader I never would have stopped to really wonder much about the semantics, since training is so baked into any pokefic its not necessary to overexplain]

- I said this before, but the kid writing is supepr good. You do a really nice job capturing a realistic sense of how kids can be capable and mature and also ignorant and immature. Trying to cautious and smart in their own ways but utterly unwise to the dangers and not realizing the risks of their actions

- Travis teaching Wyvern and his other mon hydrokinesis is sick and also mixing Scald + Surf is :okgon:. I love that. Actually feels cool and satisfying as opposed to "here's my fusion move thats super special" but fits well within the parameters of your realistic world.

- Oh speaking of realism I love to see a "realistic" pokemon fic that actually feels grounded + realistic without being grimdark. I can actually imagine this as a world that feels lived in and grounded without "the training age was raised 22 because a bajillion kids died" or like, killing stuff left and right lol. This is my brand of grounded realism :okgon:. Its rather hopeful overall actually! Training feels like it has risks but is overall a safe endeavor that kids can do

- Its really funny that the kids mention trying to find Lugia. history repeats itself lol

- Jason getting to use his pokeball throwing skills at the end there was really cool (even if he uh, suffered some consequences for that, yikes)

Who was going to stop them?
this is pure peak ending line. Obsessed.
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gud fic
 

icomeanon6

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Dropping in for a quick comment to say that I read Chapter 3!
Hooray!

I found the depth added to Travis really interesting - he isn't ignorant of how his tough-talking comes off as posturing, but rather is painfully aware of it. The battle also felt genuinely perilous to me, possibly something to do with the mention of Wyvern's blood pumping under his thin exoskeleton making him seem so frail, and Derek coming in at the last second was a real relief. Of course, Wyvern is now locked in a weird ball and Travis is not taking it well. See my sadwott react.
I've said that Chapter 3's the most important one, since if the reader doesn't sympathize with Travis by the end of it, the rest of the fic doesn't work at all. Sadwott is a good sign. :okgon:

Thanks!

Finally binged the rest of the fic! Some rambles below.
And pretty dang quickly! I was impressed.

These kids were not in fact stopped! :quag:
Not permanently, anyway! :quag:

Those were an amazing last few chapters and a fantastic climax. It really felt like a domino moment of all the bits falling into place, both on a character level and a physical powers level. It's honestly awesome and well-executed, especially given the lower power and lower stakes vibe of this fic.
Thanks! From what I recall, it was a real headache getting all the pieces together for everything involving the mansion, both plot/character-wise and logistics-wise. All worth it to get that domino sensation.

I loved the sort of pseudo non-chronological approach, interspersing the linear story plot with character-based flashbacks. It works super good to setup the conflicts and unpack the character drama without losing track of the main narrative. Each character chapter felt relevant to the story as a whole as well and played into that domino chain of effect. Tyranitar, Krissy's issues, Travis and Jason's dynamic.
To this day, it's a relief whenever anyone says they think the flashback chapters work, lol. I've never been fully confident about what they do to the pacing.

I really enjoyed especially the flashbacks with Krissy because she's my fav (we stan some daddy issues girls who are tough and kinda ruthless). And the Whirl Islands chapter has got to be my other most fav. Not only does it give us a taste of a sense of danger and risk and legends but it also sets up how Derek, Hanna and Jen's journeys mirror the kids. They got into plenty of trouble and danger of their own, and that shaped their outlooks.
I'm so glad to hear that about the Whirl Islands one; it's one I usually like more than the reader does, heh (contrast with Krissy's POV flashback, which is probably the consensus reader-favorite chapter of the fic). Fun fact: I worked out every detail of how Larvitar beats up Derek in his flashback chapter after I wrote the Whirl Islands one, using the description of how beat up he is there as the ground truth I had to stick to. (The Whirl Islands one and the Gym one were both written and published stand-alone before the rest of the fic.) It was irrationally important to me that I make no revisions to his appearance when Jen and Hanna ran into him again, despite the easy opportunity to do so.

Speaking of that, I love how it comes together in the end, when they go to save Derek. Empowering the kids and encouraging them that they are capable, and at the end of the day toeing delicate yet extremely important line really well. "Never do anything and wrap kids in bubble wrap" is just as bad imo as "let (actual) kids fight criminal gangs". Kids need to get into a healthy amount of scraps and traipse wilderness a bit, touch grass and figure stuff out. I'm so glad they have family in their lives in the form of Jen and Hanna who remember this and want this for them.

Kids are also a TON more capable than the modern western civilization gives them credit for. Yes they need supervision and guidance and dont know half as much as some think they do, but they can do so much if given the chance. Repeating their rather reckless actions here would be bad but they did manage to save Wyvern (😭) and that means something too.
You get it. :okgon:

In early outlining, I was in fact going for the cynical "It is ridiculous that kids in these games are fighting criminal gangs" angle, but as I went I realized that even if I rationally think this is the case, what I actually believe is that the bubble wrap is the bigger problem in real life. A lot of the fic would have been the same without that realization, but I think writing an ending I felt good about would have been impossible.

Aside from the fighting dangerous gangs bit, I am reminded a lot specifically of equestrian sports in how pokemon training is in this world for kids. Equestrian sports, even with modern safety measures, carry a unique level of danger to them since you're working with a living animal. But being able to have a chance to do sports or activities or group things is worth it. The fear of danger and need to never experience even one tough situation isn't healthy.
Sports! You are not the first to track the sports energy here, which I put there consciously. Now I'm surprised though that I never thought about Horse Sports - your comparison is very apt.

I think the ending does a great job wrapping it all up, showing how what they did was dangerous and they're very fortunate to be okay but also that its possible to move on from that with time, that they were able to keep their friendship and that training/journeying isn't bad.
:quag:

Some other bits that are very good:

- Derek tilting into full suicidal recklessness is extremely juicy. that entire battle is *chefs kiss*. I love the progression, the giddy sort of realization and decision, then when the moments actually came he realized "wait hang on maybe I dont wanna die". I was slightly surprised that one of his driving motivations was fear of being fired/how he'd be perceived by others but its not unrealistic.
I tried to telegraph Derek's deal with seeing death as preferable to anything that causes him anxiety in his flashback chapter, but I made the mistake of not bringing up his attitude toward death again until that scene - it's too distant to expect readers to remember it/make the connection. Maybe I'll remember to slip in a few sentences here and there for the exceedingly unlikely and completely hypothetical WSSTK 3.0.

But yeah, that scene where his switch flips is one of my favorite parts, and despite my worries it would come across as being in bad taste, readers really liked it too. Heck, with Derek's whole character I anticipated him being more poorly received than the other characters, so it was a pleasant surprise that he was a lot of readers' favorite.

- Russo housing a ghost in his body is freakin PEAK oh my gosh . Thats an amazing idea . I need to steal it except I have nowhere to use it. I love it though, I love the realization and the weird power moment he had followed by the reveal. Up until that point the fic had been fairly down to earth (and still remained so) but I was like "????????????" what is he doing how does he have powers. Then i was like "OHHHH"
I hope you find the right opportunity to steal it. :okgon: My only regret with this exchange is that it's a little too "NOW HE HAS RED LASER EYES" chuunibyou/meme energy, even if it makes sense in-world.

- I think the pokeball explanation is fascinating how its employed here. A mix of speed domestication with a dash of maybe brainwashing. What makes it more interesting is also how its treated in-universe as just the way things are. The explanation and platitudes with the understanding that people in the world might be slightly uncomfy but also how its necessary in its own way for the pokemons safety and the childs/trainers etc.
Without the magical overtones of the manga/games/anime it feels more like the gray area of how animals in our world are treated. Parrots, dolphins, dogs, horses and such are capable of displaying a lot of intelligence in different forms. We used to (in some places) "break" horses for example. Very different and harsher training methods than what might be recommended today. But that was sort of just how things were done, one way or another. Dogs too, we've developed and progressed on from or adapted a lot of different training methods. Some good, some bad.
In this way I think pokemon training and the use of the apricorn juice reminds me of this. Not quite as simple as writing it off as "evil" (since aside from maybe psychic types they seem hyper intelligent but not quite sapient as anime-mon) but uncomfy in a realistic sort of way. Maybe one day humans will find another even better way to tame pokemon.
Yup, 100%. Something I thought about about a lot before writing the fic was my family's old dog, and how I had to re-evaluate my estimation of canine intelligence when it became clear that our dog knew all our names. There was no room for anthrocentric projection on my part or non-verbal cues or anything like that: you could tell him to go ask [name of brother] for a walk and he'd go straight to that brother, even if that brother was in a completely different room. This didn't result in anything nearly as seismic as my joining PETA and agitating for canine liberation, but it did mark a slight shift in what I consider to be the lower-case letters ethical treatment of animals.

That's basically what I try to channel in fic, this sense that there's a lot most folks don't know about animal/pokemon intelligence, and that the exact answers when discovered will be too complicated to generalize and will have moral implications.

[I do briefly find myself wondering upon reflection how necessary it is to address at all. Obviously you won't be editing this fic so this is a moot point but it occurs to me as a reader I never would have stopped to really wonder much about the semantics, since training is so baked into any pokefic its not necessary to overexplain]
Oh, it's not at all necessary. There's some relevance in how pokeballs work to Wyvern's captivity, but the rest of the fic would have worked without the pokeball flashback chapter. My best explanation is that in the planning stage, I originally didn't intend for any of the flashback chapters to be at all relevant to the main plot. I saw them as basically one-shots (as mentioned before, two of them already were), or like normal episodes in an anime series that's mostly episodic but has a plot through-line in certain episodes spread throughout the run. Whether because I was worried this wouldn't click with people, or because I kept finding good opportunities for them to more directly support the plot chapters, they ended up working more like flashbacks than as pure slice-of-life anthology. So, "this one will be about pokeballs and society" was likely a holdover from my earlier approach.

- I said this before, but the kid writing is supepr good. You do a really nice job capturing a realistic sense of how kids can be capable and mature and also ignorant and immature. Trying to cautious and smart in their own ways but utterly unwise to the dangers and not realizing the risks of their actions
:happyshrew:

- Travis teaching Wyvern and his other mon hydrokinesis is sick and also mixing Scald + Surf is :okgon:. I love that. Actually feels cool and satisfying as opposed to "here's my fusion move thats super special" but fits well within the parameters of your realistic world.
It's obvious to me now that you point it out, but I never thought about it in terms of ultra-cool fan-created fusion moves before. Probably because it's not something I imagined them trying in a battle. And thinking about it now, that kind of sums up Travis's approach to training - he thinks up all this stuff for water pokemon to do because he's not considering what would be practical in combat. On the practical side, all he cares about is his eventual circumnvagation adventure (where this technique could be life-saving), and aside from that he simply loves the Water type.

- Oh speaking of realism I love to see a "realistic" pokemon fic that actually feels grounded + realistic without being grimdark. I can actually imagine this as a world that feels lived in and grounded without "the training age was raised 22 because a bajillion kids died" or like, killing stuff left and right lol. This is my brand of grounded realism :okgon:. Its rather hopeful overall actually! Training feels like it has risks but is overall a safe endeavor that kids can do
This is exactly what I want to hear.

It's hard to pin down what exactly I mean to go for with "realism" in my writing. "Lived in" is a key phrase. One way I'd put it is that I want the reader to consistently feel that this is a real place they move to and live in if they got a ticket, so that whenever something from the games shows up (which should be frequently), their brain jumps to thinking, "Omg, Pokemon is real." Kind of a "stealth escapism," I guess. I ultimately want the realism to serve the fantasy. And that also acts as a check on how much reality I try to add to the setting - the wrong kind of reality or the wrong kind of cynicism or the right kind in the wrong places would be counterproductive.

- Its really funny that the kids mention trying to find Lugia. history repeats itself lol
"It's like poetry, sort of, they rhyme."
- George Lucas

- Jason getting to use his pokeball throwing skills at the end there was really cool (even if he uh, suffered some consequences for that, yikes)
The hidden joke in this fic is that with all the organized crime and the fire-breathing monsters and everything, what ends up hospitalizing Jason is (as Chibi was the first to clock back in the day) a baseball pitcher's injury.

But yeah, it was important to me that Jason's maxed-out Capture stat turn out to be relevant to the ending. Jason has the most Pokemon Game Player Character DNA in him, going back to the kid trio's original contest one-shots, so I was pretty consicous about making him interesting and relevant enough to justify his presence.

this is pure peak ending line. Obsessed.
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Aw, shucks. :mewlulz: I have such a love-hate relationship with this fic's title. It's the meme title that keeps on memeing.

:happyshrew:

Thanks for reading and reviewing! Really glad you had a good time with it.

Now that I'm caught up on replies again, it occurred to me a bit ago that I completely forgot to post the Afterword I wrote for the original threads on PokeCommunity and Serebii. So, here it is! It's 2017-me talking, just with some edits for clarity by 2026-me.

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Afterword
I briefly mentioned in the first post that these characters came from one-shots I’d written before. In that sense, you could say this fic was eight years in the making. I’ve been thinking lately about how much the three eponymous Kids in particular have changed in those eight years, so if you’ll indulge me, I’d like to share that story and get a little meta, too. Here we go:

Every year the PokeCommunity forums have this big, fun shindig called the “Get-Together,” and the most prestigious event of the Get-Together is beyond a shadow of a doubt (imho) the Small Writing Contest, in which you get one week to write a short story from a one-word prompt. Jason, Krissy, and Travis were born because I was writing my first entry and I felt the story called for Two Guys and a Girl™.

So, I wrote the tiniest little one-shot (1,371 words, because I had no sense of how long the story needed to be). The prompt was "time," and my entry was about a terminally ill early-teen trainer in Kanto who wanted to spend his last day alive walking the trail with his best friends (so yes, a few days after the last line of the story, Jason fuckin’ diiiiiieeeed (don’t cry, Chibi, it’s not canon anymore)). Although it was short, it had some passable emotion-work, one decent idea, and it seemed to strike a chord with readers.

It got fifth place, which is a result I should have been thrilled with in hindsight, as I was new to this and the field of participants was especially strong that year (Negrek tied for first place with Shrike Flamestar). But all I could think was, “Damn, I got close. Maybe I can take the whole thing next year...” Fast forward to next year, and I’m getting really, really competitive about this. You can take all that stuff about "just having fun with participating and creating" and throw it out the window. I wanted to win, dammit.

Now understand, my "Original Vision" for Jason, Krissy, and Travis was that they were tied to this one tiny fic and wouldn’t appear anywhere else. Their story had been told, and anyway it didn’t feel right to dilute Jason’s inevitable death. But I used them again anyway in the 2010 contest for one reason and one reason only:

Strategy.

I knew from just a little experience that the toughest thing about a one-week writing contest was rapidly coming up with a good idea that fit the prompt, and good characters to go with it. So using original characters was a not-insignificant handicap for those of us who never really used canon characters. But now, I already had these three characters in my head, along with a vague but real knowledge of what made them tick and how they interacted with each other, and better yet, their backstory was so vague that they could fit into almost any situation. That was my plan: reuse the same characters, expand on them a little, and save myself valuable time for writing.

Tied for sixth that year. (Fuck!)

I stuck to the plan, though. Fast forward to 2011, and this time I got really serious. I came up with more details to flesh out the three trainers, such as what their Pokémon are (it literally took two years for this to come up) and getting more into their strengths and weaknesses. Krissy’s really good at battling, Jason’s not and has trouble connecting with his Pokémon (later this weakness would be transferred to Krissy because she had no weaknesses), and Travis is all about water and named his little Horsea Wyvern to compensate for how unintimidating Horsea are. I spent more time than ever in the planning phase, and paid special attention to working multiple threads and resolving them together organically. Then came a writing blitz, extensive proofreading and revision up until the last minute, and finally the waiting game…

And it won! (Yes!!)

Not gonna lie, that was one of the best days of my life. I don’t think I’d ever gotten first place in anything before. Maaaybe it felt like using the same OCs for three contests in a row gave me an unfair advantage, but I figured if those other writers wanted to win, they should have committed to their own two-year strategies to win a fanfic forum contest. So! Here I had a story I was proud of with three characters whom readers seemed to connect with and who had grown into a real trio. As far as I was concerned, the book was closed on them, and it turned out there was no need to ever dig into the inkling I’d had about Krissy’s familial ties to organized crime.

In short, that victory came this close to killing these characters.

If I'd lost in 2011, I'd likely have realized years sooner than I did that they still weren’t great characters, not yet. What they had going for them was an emotionally resonant (if unoriginal) dynamic, but there was still very little else to say about them. Krissy especially was this Little Miss Perfect and nothing besides. Her dearth of development was partially due to how much I still needed to learn about writing female characters who were actual human beings, but there wasn’t much to Jason or Travis either. And this reality completely skipped my notice since hey, they won, they did their job, they were my proudest achievement as a writer. I’m glad I eventually looked back with a more critical eye, because they deserved better. That was a big part of my motivation for writing WSSTK.

That said, I don’t think the lesson here is “Competitiveness gives you tunnel-vision, and winning makes you complacent.” The fact remains that if it weren’t for my obsessive drive to win this silly contest, the trio wouldn’t have come as far as they had. Shallow as they were after three shorts, after the first they were simply vague archetypes who lived only to serve a single abstract idea, and one of them had to die for it. The next two shorts did give them some kind of vitality and made me care a lot more. Winning was a setback on the way, but if I’d been at peace with losing in the first place, there would have been no progress to interrupt.

And hey, that’s life. What trips you up at one point is exactly what you need at another. I think think principle is best seen in children, if I may clumsily tie this essay back to the whole point of the fic. Much of what children eventually need to outgrow is a necessary component of what makes them such a blessing in the first place. They find adventures where adults are too smart to look for them, and come up with valuable insights that adults are too wise to think of. If the kids in this story had been thinking like adults when it came time to decide whether to go save Derek, Derek would be dead, and Wyvern may never have been rescued. It may have been a bad gamble on their part, realistically speaking, but it is adult pride and arrogance to think that kids only prove adults wrong in fiction.

With the caveat that sometimes we need to nudge them in the other direction lest they run headlong over the edge of a cliff, my firm belief is that we stand to lose more by habitually Stopping These Kids rather than by letting them surprise us.

That’s about it for author’s notes. Before I go, here are the one-shots on PokeCommunity that the six main characters first appeared in for anyone who’s interested in checking them out:

Jason, Krissy, and Travis:
There’s Always Tomorrow, SWC 2009
A Matter of Stubbornness, SWC 2010
Left by the Roadside, SWC 2011 First Place

Jen and Hanna (Katie):
Dad’s Old Gym, SWC 2016 Second Place

Jen, Hanna (Katie), and Derek:
Hubris Island, 2016 collaboration between the PokeCommunity fanfiction and art-and-design forums

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Once again, thank you all so much for reading this.
 
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