~Review of Chapters 1 - 8~
Alright Pokemon Fight Club let's go
So I just went through the entire published backlog and I have two main comments: The concept here reminds me a lot of the Roundhouse scene from Detective Pikachu (and also Ryme City's whole thing with 'no pokemon battles allowed in the city'), and also Sid the Quilava keeps giving me Toy Story flashbacks and it won't stop help me
Overall, I think this is a really interesting work! I knew to expect something smaller scale than the average PMD thing, but it surprised me how contained Fighting Nature seems to be--with Chapter Eight it already seems to be roughly halfway through the story/at the midpoint.
The premise and setting are very well done - Deepden is a flavour of pokemon society that I haven't really seen anywhere else, tbh. It's not exotic the way that you'd generally think a pokemon-run world would be, really quite close to our own, but there's just enough of a twist on it that it feels natural and not just "human society but we copypasted pokemon into here k bye". In particular the word substitutions here and there--den, for example--the manual pokemon rides, and the fact that quadrupeds need specific training to function in this society instead of having accomodations made directly for them were all things that stuck out to me. I also like how you capture the absolute monotony of society - how people just live their lives in endless, grating cycles of the same thing over and over,but they're comfortable and making ends meet (barely) so it's all worth it right? I think it struck a chord with me specifically because one of my fears is ending up part of a large societal machine and going through living hell every day just to keep the bills paid like Sid and Raskin, but even without that I think it still gets through pretty poignantly. At the end of the day they just don't have the time or the energy to do anything, and the street fight feels like a mystical bright spot that's forever forbidden and out of their reach. It's not surprising that Sid, Raskin, and Lyco form Fight Den at the end of the day. My biggest question is... why didn't someone else do it first?
The second thing I appreciated was the attention to detail and how well-thought out this premise seems to be--my first question regarding this would have been "Okay, so if pokemon are basically magical elemental creatures, then why is there the need for all this menial work?" and my second would have been "Okay, so if pokemon are basically magical creatures, then how come this very urban district hasn't been razed to the ground yet?" The first answer is provided by showing that the pokemon have regressed their instincts/abilities over time to adapt to being urban, and the second one is likely explained by the ban on fighting in the first place. Although I wonder what's the deal with Oldden and The Wilderness? It feels like Oldden is basically treated as the 'slums' outside Deepden, but "old den" suggests it was there before Deepden was. Also " the Wilderness" gives me post-apocalyptic vibes--somewhat like the Divergent city.
it seems like Fighting Nature is shaping up to be a Man ('Mon?) VS Society story, and in line with that the main antagonist here is a faceless, corporate machine, not any one pokemon. That said, I feel like that's going to change soon, though. I want to know exactly who is behind the No Fights law, and why it's enforced despite my theory. I want to know what happened to Oldden, and why Deepden was formed in the first place. I want to know who's raking in big money in the top brass while all these pokemon underneath are flailing around and barely getting by.
So like the olympics, then? NGL it'd be interesting to see this on the page at some point. Maybe just to show the contrast of how fake it is compared to Fight Den.
My first thought was "Sounds like a good way to lose your hearing :D".
...Although I guess if you can shrug off getting hit by a fireball or something, you probably don't actually get permanent hearing damage just from loud noises :V My main question is, if it's loud enough to drown out the sounds of the fighting, how can the pokemon in the fight den hear anything over it?
:D
Also, quick note, but your threadmark index seems a bit messed up? Chapter One is sandwiched between Three and Four.
There's kind of one thing that bugs me here: It feels like the idea/plan to start up a fighting club comes along way too conveniently. I can understand that kind of thing from two, say, teenagers or young adults who haven't yet grasped the consequences of going against the law, and that fits Sid to some degree. But Raskin has a very good idea of what happens when you cross the law--his father's in prison for tax fraud, after all. Even if he hates his job, he knows that he's set up at least somewhat decently. And considering how hard he worked for that bank job and that he lost a family member because they were poor and blames himself, he'd be the last person to put himself at legal risk--especially not over something so heavily prosecuted. It feels weird to me that not only would he be like "Yo let's host an underground illegal fight", he'd be the first one to even bring it up. The second time, after both he and Sid are laid off, feels much more realistic to me. He's being pressured into it by losing his job and realizing his financial stability is threatened, and you play off his past to push him even further into the idea.
Second thing that's getting me is how utterly bad Sid and Raskin have been at keeping this quiet. If this were RL they would have been long imprisoned by now. Firstly, they're going around and telling people to "spread the word". Meaning, they blew the top off their whole operation right from the start. Once it's out, rumors spread far, no matter how much you try to control them--and with the sheer amount of pokemon who approach Raskin, it's no wonder his job found out stuff? Like, it was only a matter of time before the wrong person heard. Compounded by Sid getting drunk and telling like twenty other pokemon, because of course he did. This also happened in the prison--when Raskin told his father about the fight I went like "Did he seriously just talk about this supremely illegal thing in a prison room that's probably taped/with officers standing right outside?" I mean. They get better afterwards, but I still feel like they should have thought it out more carefully at first.
And even afterwards, they're not exactly with a watertight plan. Their current thing seems to be just "let's hide out under the White Entei twice a week, we say that a private party has booked the bar, play the music super loud to drown out any bangs and crashes and stuff, and hope that no-one looks through the windows and sees the empty bar. IMO, even with the codewords and post, there's still one big issue with this, and that's consistency. So Fight Dens are held Saturdays and Wednesdays; twice a week. That means that two times a week, Sid, Raskin, and co. are going to have to shutter the bar for a ""private gathering"", turn up the radio and stuff, and just kinda leave it empty while they have their fights downstairs. And as we've seen, pokemon don't generally leave unscathed. The issue here comes in when you have this happening so often, and it's not exactly subtle--Fight Den is a loud affair that needs an even louder distraction, and on top of that, the White Entei suddenly closing up and stuff twice a week out of nowhere is likely going to turn heads. I guess basically what I'm saying is that their diversions look pretty sus, and if they overuse them then it's probably going to turn heads sooner or later.
Another angle to this is that I'm wondering how they're going to keep a lid on all the money that's going to flow in from the Fight Club. Fighting is already illegal, but it looks like Deepden is pretty intense about tax/financial stuff too (and also there's a running theme of money, with Raskin's past, the bank, etc. - I wonder if this will be mined any further?). If we look at RL illegal operations that bring in Big Cash, they can't just walk away with all their money. They have to launder it first--in other words, make up a legal excuse for where all that money came from so that the paperwork doesn't look off. So if Sid, Raskin, and Lyco are going to hit the big time here, they can't just walk into town with piles of money and call it a day - even if they hide it all in a basement or something, two jobless pokemon with spending habits that don't match up will probably turn heads. I'm guessing you've already accounted for this, but I wanted to point it out just in case.
But overall, this is a really interesting story! There's a lot of dark themes floating around here, like money, industrialism, oppression, and regaining what society takes from you, but that's also combatted with its own charm with the Fight Den and all the smaller things. I'm aware that there's no way this continues to go on unchecked - Sid and Raskin are playing with fire, and as they stand all it's very easy for the police to knock the whole operation over and jail everyone there. That said, I also think they've started something that can't be checked with police oppression alone, and I feel like this story is going to end with the collapse of Deepden. Or at least, the corporate, anti-fighting Deepden.
Really well done! Now I disappear into the void until there are eight more chapters for me to binge read goodbye
Listening to: Isengard Theme - Howard Shore
Alright Pokemon Fight Club let's go
So I just went through the entire published backlog and I have two main comments: The concept here reminds me a lot of the Roundhouse scene from Detective Pikachu (and also Ryme City's whole thing with 'no pokemon battles allowed in the city'), and also Sid the Quilava keeps giving me Toy Story flashbacks and it won't stop help me
Overall, I think this is a really interesting work! I knew to expect something smaller scale than the average PMD thing, but it surprised me how contained Fighting Nature seems to be--with Chapter Eight it already seems to be roughly halfway through the story/at the midpoint.
The premise and setting are very well done - Deepden is a flavour of pokemon society that I haven't really seen anywhere else, tbh. It's not exotic the way that you'd generally think a pokemon-run world would be, really quite close to our own, but there's just enough of a twist on it that it feels natural and not just "human society but we copypasted pokemon into here k bye". In particular the word substitutions here and there--den, for example--the manual pokemon rides, and the fact that quadrupeds need specific training to function in this society instead of having accomodations made directly for them were all things that stuck out to me. I also like how you capture the absolute monotony of society - how people just live their lives in endless, grating cycles of the same thing over and over,but they're comfortable and making ends meet (barely) so it's all worth it right? I think it struck a chord with me specifically because one of my fears is ending up part of a large societal machine and going through living hell every day just to keep the bills paid like Sid and Raskin, but even without that I think it still gets through pretty poignantly. At the end of the day they just don't have the time or the energy to do anything, and the street fight feels like a mystical bright spot that's forever forbidden and out of their reach. It's not surprising that Sid, Raskin, and Lyco form Fight Den at the end of the day. My biggest question is... why didn't someone else do it first?
The second thing I appreciated was the attention to detail and how well-thought out this premise seems to be--my first question regarding this would have been "Okay, so if pokemon are basically magical elemental creatures, then why is there the need for all this menial work?" and my second would have been "Okay, so if pokemon are basically magical creatures, then how come this very urban district hasn't been razed to the ground yet?" The first answer is provided by showing that the pokemon have regressed their instincts/abilities over time to adapt to being urban, and the second one is likely explained by the ban on fighting in the first place. Although I wonder what's the deal with Oldden and The Wilderness? It feels like Oldden is basically treated as the 'slums' outside Deepden, but "old den" suggests it was there before Deepden was. Also " the Wilderness" gives me post-apocalyptic vibes--somewhat like the Divergent city.
it seems like Fighting Nature is shaping up to be a Man ('Mon?) VS Society story, and in line with that the main antagonist here is a faceless, corporate machine, not any one pokemon. That said, I feel like that's going to change soon, though. I want to know exactly who is behind the No Fights law, and why it's enforced despite my theory. I want to know what happened to Oldden, and why Deepden was formed in the first place. I want to know who's raking in big money in the top brass while all these pokemon underneath are flailing around and barely getting by.
Athletics was a strange entity to him. It was tremendously popular throughout all of Deepden, and he understood why. There was usually at least one of each pokémon type competing per event, giving everyone someone to cheer on, even if the same types tended to dominate the events suiting them. The throwing events had genuinely astounding feats of strength, while running-focused ones often went right to wire, leaving emotions on a knife-edge between euphoria and despair.
So like the olympics, then? NGL it'd be interesting to see this on the page at some point. Maybe just to show the contrast of how fake it is compared to Fight Den.
The solution they came up with was to turn up the radio that normally played in the bar to an almost deafening noise, enough to drown out any loud bangs and crashes.
My first thought was "Sounds like a good way to lose your hearing :D".
...Although I guess if you can shrug off getting hit by a fireball or something, you probably don't actually get permanent hearing damage just from loud noises :V My main question is, if it's loud enough to drown out the sounds of the fighting, how can the pokemon in the fight den hear anything over it?
The first rule of Fight Den is: you do not talk about Fight Den.
:D
Also, quick note, but your threadmark index seems a bit messed up? Chapter One is sandwiched between Three and Four.
There's kind of one thing that bugs me here: It feels like the idea/plan to start up a fighting club comes along way too conveniently. I can understand that kind of thing from two, say, teenagers or young adults who haven't yet grasped the consequences of going against the law, and that fits Sid to some degree. But Raskin has a very good idea of what happens when you cross the law--his father's in prison for tax fraud, after all. Even if he hates his job, he knows that he's set up at least somewhat decently. And considering how hard he worked for that bank job and that he lost a family member because they were poor and blames himself, he'd be the last person to put himself at legal risk--especially not over something so heavily prosecuted. It feels weird to me that not only would he be like "Yo let's host an underground illegal fight", he'd be the first one to even bring it up. The second time, after both he and Sid are laid off, feels much more realistic to me. He's being pressured into it by losing his job and realizing his financial stability is threatened, and you play off his past to push him even further into the idea.
Second thing that's getting me is how utterly bad Sid and Raskin have been at keeping this quiet. If this were RL they would have been long imprisoned by now. Firstly, they're going around and telling people to "spread the word". Meaning, they blew the top off their whole operation right from the start. Once it's out, rumors spread far, no matter how much you try to control them--and with the sheer amount of pokemon who approach Raskin, it's no wonder his job found out stuff? Like, it was only a matter of time before the wrong person heard. Compounded by Sid getting drunk and telling like twenty other pokemon, because of course he did. This also happened in the prison--when Raskin told his father about the fight I went like "Did he seriously just talk about this supremely illegal thing in a prison room that's probably taped/with officers standing right outside?" I mean. They get better afterwards, but I still feel like they should have thought it out more carefully at first.
And even afterwards, they're not exactly with a watertight plan. Their current thing seems to be just "let's hide out under the White Entei twice a week, we say that a private party has booked the bar, play the music super loud to drown out any bangs and crashes and stuff, and hope that no-one looks through the windows and sees the empty bar. IMO, even with the codewords and post, there's still one big issue with this, and that's consistency. So Fight Dens are held Saturdays and Wednesdays; twice a week. That means that two times a week, Sid, Raskin, and co. are going to have to shutter the bar for a ""private gathering"", turn up the radio and stuff, and just kinda leave it empty while they have their fights downstairs. And as we've seen, pokemon don't generally leave unscathed. The issue here comes in when you have this happening so often, and it's not exactly subtle--Fight Den is a loud affair that needs an even louder distraction, and on top of that, the White Entei suddenly closing up and stuff twice a week out of nowhere is likely going to turn heads. I guess basically what I'm saying is that their diversions look pretty sus, and if they overuse them then it's probably going to turn heads sooner or later.
Another angle to this is that I'm wondering how they're going to keep a lid on all the money that's going to flow in from the Fight Club. Fighting is already illegal, but it looks like Deepden is pretty intense about tax/financial stuff too (and also there's a running theme of money, with Raskin's past, the bank, etc. - I wonder if this will be mined any further?). If we look at RL illegal operations that bring in Big Cash, they can't just walk away with all their money. They have to launder it first--in other words, make up a legal excuse for where all that money came from so that the paperwork doesn't look off. So if Sid, Raskin, and Lyco are going to hit the big time here, they can't just walk into town with piles of money and call it a day - even if they hide it all in a basement or something, two jobless pokemon with spending habits that don't match up will probably turn heads. I'm guessing you've already accounted for this, but I wanted to point it out just in case.
But overall, this is a really interesting story! There's a lot of dark themes floating around here, like money, industrialism, oppression, and regaining what society takes from you, but that's also combatted with its own charm with the Fight Den and all the smaller things. I'm aware that there's no way this continues to go on unchecked - Sid and Raskin are playing with fire, and as they stand all it's very easy for the police to knock the whole operation over and jail everyone there. That said, I also think they've started something that can't be checked with police oppression alone, and I feel like this story is going to end with the collapse of Deepden. Or at least, the corporate, anti-fighting Deepden.
Really well done! Now I disappear into the void until there are eight more chapters for me to binge read goodbye
Listening to: Isengard Theme - Howard Shore