[Day 2] Odile's 7 Deadly Scumtells Mafia

[Shiny Phantump]

[[I was definitely a bit quick to back off last night but part of the reason why is that I figured it didn’t change my actions. Plus, I thought the Watcher call would hopefully force him not to take any night actions in the event we lack a town roleblocker because I mixed it up with Reporter aka a yes/no Tracker. (I shot myself in the foot my first time playing scum doing the same thing, after panic-claiming a passive role while my team was asleep.)]]

Morgan rolled her eyes, if the dragon no longer wanted to save himself anymore, there was no point doing anything but seeing how he flipped tomorrow morning. Or maybe tomorrow night, if there was a Mafia doctor who wasn’t one of those two.

“Well, way I see it is that in the increasingly-unlikely he’s not scum then we have a counterclaim and it’s safe to kill Gabriel about it. Given he’s scum then the interaction with Gabriel is more suspicious and we should feel safe to kill Gabriel about it.”

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

Matthias nodded with a satisfied thump of one fist into the other palm.

"That is an excellent point, Baraz. It gives me confidence that, should we be right about Gabriel, which in turn suggests Morgan is a friend... we can then count on Neo to not also be Mafia. Let's hope that plays out as we expect!"

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

"But if she's the condemner, then what do we think the metagross was? They're confirmed third party, but we didn't... really get to see anything from them. There wouldn't be multiple of the same role in the game, would there?

[[I made a list of possibilities in this post. Of course, there's not a chance in hell all of them are simultaneously in play. Surely. (Surely, Sind??) Not that we can draw any serious conclusions about Noci either way, but it's odd that you'd go straight to 'wait are there multiple Condemners??' when there might not be any Condemners and there are three other things Noci could have been!]]

[[It's a simplifying move: the more I try to convince people I'm town the more people think I am not]]

[[Oh, people definitely think you're Mafia. I'm not sure you understand why that is, though.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[Looks like I forgot to add a couple of the overnight votes from the very end of Day 1 when updating my spreadsheet. Whoops. Next time I update the spreadsheet I'll add them in. If I now have it right, Baraz voted Morgan (9th) and Neo then voted abstention (10th). This created a majority wagon, followed by a tie that, being on Day 1, resolved in a no-elimination. Effectively, Neo saved Morgan, and Baraz prompted this to happen. This is extremely significant information, so please excuse my error!]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[ you should also give me my h back in my name :) ]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

Neo didn’t have much time to sulk over losing his friend. Because Sassy-Ghost had things to say.



Lava-Boy was a Bad Guy? Neo rose to his feet and trotted over to the strange not-human-not-Pokémon, and sniffed at him warily, flicking his tail in suspicion.



Then everyone started talking about a “condemner”, whatever that was, and Neo growled. It was good to be cautious, but surely they couldn’t afford to not vote for a Bad Guy if they’d been caught! It could just as easily be Lava-Boy scrambling for a reason not to get voted out.

I could personally unvote Gabriel should we have enough other people willing to vote for him, something that should cause me to lose the game were I a real Condemner."

Neo purred and trotted over to Sassy-Ghost. He tried to rub up against the Pokémon in a friendly gesture, though he supposed he should have figured that wouldn’t really work on a ghost. Oh, well. The gesture was there.

If Sassy-Ghost was a Bad Guy, they wouldn’t have offered to lose the game for everyone else’s benefit. This made Neo more certain than ever that Sassy-Ghost was good. His instincts in this game were good! Naturally. He was awesome.

"Before you continue making allegations about me, I just want to make it clear that I'm Vanilla Town.

Neo trilled in laughter. “You are Bad Guy. A Good Guy would never vote for himself! That is bad for him and his team!”

However, if this mon and Lava-Boy truly were co-conspirators, this could be a desperate attempt to pull the suspicion off of Lava-Boy. A self-sacrificing ploy to preserve his teammate who had a gun.

Neo wasn’t about to fall for it.

[[VOTE: Lava-Boy (Gabriel) @Sinderella ]]

However, I must also add that, as I believe Morgan is our ally, it would also seem that the Espeon is unlikely to be our enemy. After all, he did single-handedly save Morgan yesterday, when it would have been very easy to refrain.”

Neo swelled with pride. Yes! He did a good thing! He was good at this game!

[[Expanded thoughts on my D1 read list to come shortly!]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

Matthias' / Jackie's Spreadsheet

Player	Character	Votes	☠️ Flipped?	My Read	Notes
Flyg0n (aka Tetra)	Anubis (M Houndoom)	D1, 7th: Abstain	☠️ Town	Soft Town	Insistent on no D1 kill.
Seren	Kimiko (F Human)	D2, 6th: Peridot		Soft Town	Has offered some reads. Not happy at all with Peridot's reasoning. Scared Gabriel is Condemnee.
Persephone	Nocitlālin (F Metagross)	D1, 4th: Gabriel	☠️Third Party	Weak Scum	"Pretending not to have a kill power" First to prompt a vote.
unrepentantAuthor (aka Jackie)	Matthias (M Greninja)	D1, 1st: Grovyle D1, 8th: Noci D2, 4th: Gabriel		Self	My scrutiny is mainly directed at Noci/Gabriel/Peridot so far. I am sceptical of a game config that risks a premature gameover.
Chibi Pika	Baraz (M Floatzel)	D1, 2nd: Gabriel D1, 9th: Morgan D2, 3rd: Gabriel		Town	Has the "best role". Unafraid. (Goading?) Considers Gabriel a threat [[bc Free is unreadable]] Believes Morgan's Rolecop claim. Believes Condemner is implausible in the setup.
HelloYellow17	Neo (M Espeon)	D1, 10th: Abstain D2, 8th: Gabriel		Soft Town	Has offered some reads. No gameplay posts yet for Day 2. Saved Morgan's life on Day 1.
lyrical	Pleione (N Minior)	None		None Yet	"We don't know anything on Day 1." No posts yet for Day 2.
yiran	Grovyle (M Grovyle)	D1, 5th: Morgan		Ambivalent	Asked Baraz if he has an inforole. (Hmm.) Very concerned with inactivity. Not around for EOD. Has offered some reads. Textwall I find hard to parse but sus of Neo, Morgan and Baraz, I think...?
Dragonfree	Gabriel (M Slugma-morph)	D2, 2nd: Morgan		Scum	Ambivalent on D1 kill. Has offered some reads. Claims Vanilla Town. Believes in Condemner Morgan OR Secret Miller Gabriel. Proposes killing Morgan in response.
Shiny Phantump	Morgan (F Mismagius)	D1, 3rd: Grovyle D1, 6th: Abstain D2, 1st: Gabriel		Town	Not strictly opposed to a random vote or D1 kill. Has offered some reads. Claims Rolecop, accuses Gabriel of being Mafia Goon. Claims didn't realise own power was busted. Willing to prove not Condemner via unvote. Sus of Peridot, but conflicted...?
Panoramic_Vacuum	Wallace (M Slut)	None		Ambivalent	Tentatively believes Morgan Rolecop claim...? Stressed about Bastard Mod/Condemner. No strong statements yet.
Canisaries	Red (M Human)	None		None Yet	Just RP so far, needs to catch up.
EonDuoLatios	Peridot (M Latios)	D2, 5th: Gabriel D2, 7th: Peridot (!?)		Scum	Claims Vanilla Town. Voted for himself???

Current Vote Tally:

1. Gabriel – 4
2. Peridot – 2 (including self)
3. Morgan – 1

 

[canisaries]

The wide grin slowly melted off Odile's face, gradually being replaced by a horrifying frown. It lingered there for an excruciating moment before she laughed outright. She hovered behind him and set her hands on his shoulders, still laughing.

"Isn't he funny? He and I go way back. Well, he and my vessel, mostly," she mused. She cleared her throat and leaned down so she could speak closer to his ear.

"But I will cut off your ballsack and wear it like a swimming cap if you try me again."

Red looked disconcerted for the briefest moment, but then covered it up with a smirk.

"Damn. Didn't know you wanted the touch of my balls that badly," he said, though he said it quietly.

[[ Hey, hi, welcome, thanks for subbing! Don't worry about the 400IQ thing, my IQ is closer to 4 and I've had a good time, so. lol ]]

[Thank you! Although being closer to 4 than 400 still leaves you at a maximum of 202 IQ...]

[[ I'll be honest, trying to figure out when someone's online and what they're doing feels a bit... iffy to me? Sort of like why we disabled emote reacts on mafia games, it's using a forum feature that isn't really... gameplay to sort of cheat out what someone is up to and when? It's one thing if it's incidental, because god only knows how we'd be able to police this in the future, but it's another to go out of your way to see who's online and what they're doing. Idk. On the other hand, I... don't know how relevant it actually is? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I don't feel great about it either way. Less in a 'this is a scum move' and more of a 'this doesn't feel like its in the spirit of the game' sort of way. Maybe it's just me and no one else thinks anything of it. Either way, what's done is done, I guess. /insert shrug emote here ]]

[Yeah, hard agree. This feels like it's disadvantageous towards people who A. like to think a long time about their posts for reasons unrelated to their alignment and B. do not live in the same timezones as many other players or have as much free time that other players do. While I assume these two already have a bit of an effect, I'd hate for them to have more of one. I already find the fact that knowledge of previous games is used kind of unfair towards new players and this feels like it's in a similar alley. Though I also know that it's hard to enforce against that.]

[[ @canisaries this resource may help you catch up. Some of the notes link to specific posts if you want to look into them. If you want to make your two mechanical posts by EOD, I recommend/suggest you A. pick someone to vote for and provide a succinct justification, and B. offer your perspective on at least a couple of the current issues folks are discussing. You do not have to – and indeed cannot – be sure that what you say won't look bad later, or be wrong. That's simply how it goes in this game! You may or may not want to divulge any information about your role – only you can make the determination as to whether that would be helpful to Town. I suspect you'd have posted something by now if you were Mafia, but that's weak evidence. I don't actually have any way to read you either way until you make claims, offer opinions, and put skin in the game. So, please do! I hope this is helpful, and I hope to see some posts from you ASAP.]]

[Thank you, Jackie, much appreciated! I did read the entire backlog, but there's so much information that having it all condensed like this makes things a lot easier. As for me being late to posting, you really can't hold that as evidence about anything since the reason for that is sleep and work.]

[Okay, let's get to business.]

Red took in everyone's arguments and thought for a while before giving his own take.

"I don't believe in the presence of Condemner/Condemnee for the given reasons - it just wouldn't be fun. And if we do end up voting this fine molluscan specimen -" he points to Gabriel "- out and the game ends, our guardians can all be angry at Odile together. I also don't believe in second-guessing myself because of Bastard Modding. Depending on how much a Bastard Mod can be a Bastard, just about everything can be doubted. Personally, I would just eat the loss if that causes us to lose. No use crying over a rigged game."

[I have read the MafiaWiki article for Bastard Modding, but I admit that I have some trouble fully internalizing how wide the implications are. If someone has any additional information or pointers I should consider, I'll be listening.]

"I'm inclined to believe the ghost in her claim. Given this, I'll be voting for the slugma-boy. Sorry, kid. At least you'll have that superior form to comfort you."

[ Vote: Gabriel/Dragonfree @Sinderella ]

 

[HelloYellow17]

Neo's list just doesn't make sense to me. Other than Anubis and Morgan, the other 3 feel like purely placed there off of RP vibes. The two in the mafia list felt like they RPed in a relatively hostile way and I feel no gameplay impact from Kimiko other than RP in a friendly way, and I don't think those are valid reasons to qualify throwing someone into town or scum for a readslist.

[[Hi hi! Allow me to answer this.

I was scrambling at EOD Day 1 to catch up on the thread and offer some reads as well as a vote before it closed. So I didn’t have time to expand on my every reading.

TLDR, anybody who voted to abstain had me place them as soft town. While voting out someone at random D1 is a totally valid way to get info, the lack of caution considering this is a role madness game made me side eye a few people. Historically, role madness games on TR often result in multiple deaths a night, so mislynching on D1 could be very, very bad for Town.

Which is why I placed gentle suspicion on anybody who advocated against abstaining. Of course mislynching someone would work in their favor if they’re scum! And they can easily cover it up with “we need info!”

That said, I was also wary of anybody saying not to vote for an inactive player, because we’ve had a history of big problems with inactive players in TR games. The argument that inactive players are rarely scum isn’t totally true, either; in my first game, we had multiple inactives and I remember at least one or two who ended up being third party. When I was scum in another game, one of my teammates was voted out for inactivity. Etc.

So on D1, I was convinced that one of the less active players was scum and that they had teammates trying to cover for them and direct suspicion on a Townie, which is why I was certain at least one or two people on the Morgan vote train were scum.

Given today’s events, my thoughts on the whole defending inactives being sus has shifted a little, because I really did have Free as soft town with the way she was grilling Eon. And the best defense she’s been able to come with is a vanilla townie counterclaim and the condemner argument, neither of which are enough to sway me, and Lyn has found a nice workaround (hopefully) for the condemner issue, even at her own expense.

The only scenario I can think of where Lyn is lying is if they’re TP. But that’s pretty wildly risky for TP, who already has the odds stacked against them, and it makes no sense as scum. So I believe the claim!

[[This feels consistent with Yellow's previous gameplay reads to me. Matthias is listed twice under neutral, but otherwise,

Lololol WHOOPS this is definitely because I was both rushing and flip flopping on my reads even as I was typing. I initially had everyone but Persephone and Lyrical under neutral or soft town, but then I thought about the inactives defense and found that odd given TR’s game history. I probably was overthinking there, tbh, but this is the Game of Overthinking, haha!

Speaking of which, I’m still really not jazzed about @lyrical ’s utter lack of participation. Can you speak up, please? And give us some of your thoughts? Why did you say we MUST vote for someone on Day 1 with no elaboration?]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

As for me being late to posting, you really can't hold that as evidence about anything since the reason for that is sleep and work.

[[I mean, I could hold it against you. But don't worry, I won't. It's nice to see someone just bluntly sticking up for themselves about activity levels, too, since Mafia can be a timesink and folks really should prioritise IRL.]]

"I don't believe in the presence of Condemner/Condemnee for the given reasons - it just wouldn't be fun. And if we do end up voting this fine molluscan specimen -" he points to Gabriel "- out and the game ends, our guardians can all be angry at Odile together. I also don't believe in second-guessing myself because of Bastard Modding. Depending on how much a Bastard Mod can be a Bastard, just about everything can be doubted. Personally, I would just eat the loss if that causes us to lose. No use crying over a rigged game."

[I have read the MafiaWiki article for Bastard Modding, but I admit that I have some trouble fully internalizing how wide the implications are. If someone has any additional information or pointers I should consider, I'll be listening.]

"I'm inclined to believe the ghost in her claim. Given this, I'll be voting for the slugma-boy. Sorry, kid. At least you'll have that superior form to comfort you."

[[Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to adopt this attitude towards Bastardry myself. Besides, I fully expect the biggest impact it'll have is in making us all fucking paranoid, anyway.]]

[[Cani, the interesting thing about Bastard Modding is that TR's Mafia games actually have certain 'Bastard' mechanics as staple features! For instance, Bus Driver shows up all the time here, but it's listed on wiki.mafiascum under 'Roles That May Be Considered Bastard'. However, I think what people are mostly worried about is the possibility that our role DMs were untruthful or that there are secret mechanics not listed in the announcement post. That's a kind of 'Bastard' that I don't think has ever been seen on TR, but Sind's promise to make us want to bury her in concrete makes me wonder. I've decided not to worry about it for now, though.]]

 

[canisaries]

[[Cani, the interesting thing about Bastard Modding is that TR's Mafia games actually have certain 'Bastard' mechanics as staple features! For instance, Bus Driver shows up all the time here, but it's listed on wiki.mafiascum under 'Roles That May Be Considered Bastard'. However, I think what people are mostly worried about is the possibility that our role DMs were untruthful or that there are secret mechanics not listed in the announcement post. That's a kind of 'Bastard' that I don't think has ever been seen on TR, but Sind's promise to make us want to bury her in concrete makes me wonder. I've decided not to worry about it for now, though.]]

[Thank you for letting me know! Very good to know about Bus Driver. Though I don't think this changes my personal stance that much.]

 

[EonDuoLatios]

The smirk on the Latios's face grew larger.

"So, you don't believe me, and you still think I'm scum? Well, fine -- I guess you still are approving of my Plan A...after all, I proposed to can Gabriel first and then rolecop me. Thought you didn't believe that I was townie...so won't it make it even more of incentive to check..." he turned to the Ghost, his smile widening, "...Morgan? Surely you wanna rolecop me, given that everyone's dying to put a stake through my heart? You don't want to crucify an innocent, do you?"

"Go ahead, Morgan -- if we see you aren't lying about Gabriel and me, then your life is essentially guaranteed. And if I die because of your assertion..." He laughed. "Well, if I die because of what you said about being suspicious, and they find out that you're wrong, then 我就保不住你命了 (I can't guarantee your life)."

"Your choice. You either satiate your own curiosity by taking a peek...or run the risk of condemning one of town's few people. With that said, the stunt I wanted to pull has no value anymore."

[[ @Sinderella vote Gabriel.]]

[[Also, this is a little late but idk about using online times to judge whether someone is scum or not holds much water -- I mean obviously I'm not one in the position to talk given that it's used on me...but like maybe I'm going off for a luncheon or something along those lines...the accusations against me initially held no water (being based almost solely off the time thing) but I dug my own hole, so eh, can't complain there]]

[[Note 2: To elaborate on the stunt I wanted to pull by self-voting, my idea is that by voting me out you guys could be even more convinced that Gabriel is scum given if I die I would return a town value -- showing that Gabriel is the one that's scum, but since you guys are convinced me and him are in cahoots there's no use to the stunt -- instead if Morgan is townie she'll exonerate me by rolecopping me (at least this is my idea) and if she is not townie she'll return with a lie, I get thrown in the abyss and then Morgan can be spiked -- well, if me and Morgan were working together as scum this would be a great stunt to pull, but eh sadly it isn't]]

[[Note 3: I think I actually agree with Phantump(/Morgan) (and upon checking also Yellow) that the part about the condemner/condemnee is just something that Gabriel was trying to pull to save his skin, a sentiment I echoed a while ago -- so no point bonking me I guess, a while ago I just thought there was the real chance they (you guys) thought Gabriel's claim was true which was why I wanted to orchestrate the sack (also given that since I'm vanilla town my loss won't hurt town as much as other power roles)]]

 

[EonDuoLatios]

[[Hopefully I'm making more sense now btw]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[I hate to do the irl excuse to explain gameplay, but my boiler decided to flood my basement today and I need to deal with that before anything else. One thing I want to at least toss out before I probably vanish for the rest of the day (repair time pending) is I want to at least say I did find it a bit strange that Baraz/Chibi was very quick to agree with and jump on the vote from Morgan's reveal, seemingly with zero skepticism. I'm all for a good, dramatic "caught them red handed" alignment reveal, but given how many other things could be in play-- especially since our lovely GM said we'd be wanting her head after this-- that they only stopped to question things once Gabriel/Dragonfree claimed the game might end if they are eliminated. That felt... odd? Not to mention I personally would find the premise of "promised role madness game but it's actually mostly low/no power and vanilla gameplay" more baffling of a set up than the chaos of "game suddenly ends because of a 360 noscope elimination on D2". As in, I was questioning Morgan's reveal more because of the setup implication, and not suddenly surprised that a condemnee claim could end the game.

Some additional side eye, and I'm going to be a big ol hypocrite here b/c I feel a way about using meta to play, but Chibi is very familiar with the meta that it's usually a party at Free's place on Night 1: why would they not be at least a *little* concerned about some kind of shenanigans surrounding an immediate scumread result? (Funny that I entirely forgot it'd happened the last Anni mafia, ty for the reminder Lyn, I was too busy trying not to die as a TP in that one to remember) I'd also point out that Chibi is also a player very much like Free in that they are hard to read and can easily skirt under the radar as Town when they are decidedly not. Very pot phoning the kettle, at least in the sense of their warning about Free to other players on D1.

Had a think, too, on their statement of Rolecop generally being a Town role in TR, and I *want* to say that's not necessarily the case but I could be confusing it with Role*block* of which I've seen as scum multiple times (myself playing one at one point.) I don't have the time to go digging today, but wanted to at least float that out there to see if anyone else remembers/can verify.

I guess the point of all that is if something funny comes out about either Baraz or Morgan, we should take a long, hard look at the other.

Other than that, and the self voting stuff flying around (am I reading too much into it and it could have something to do with the +1 -1 modifiers in the role list??), the simplest play here is to ignore the paranoia as others have pointed out and vote Gabriel, because that flip tells us quite a bit, and if the game ends, then at least we have a funny I told you so to add to the collection.

TL;DR: pano's house is flooding, mild sus of Chibi, mafia makes me far too paranoid, @Sinderella vote Gabriel. Good luck everybody]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[What is bro talking about?]]

the accusations against me initially held no water (being based almost solely off the time thing

[[No, man, it's not almost solely based off the time thing. For my part, it's not even related to the time thing. I didn't even read the time thing because I don't care about it. (I don't even think it's unfair, I just think it's unimportant.) Nah. I think you're scum because you counterclaimed Gabriel and then... voted for yourself for no good reason instead of keeping your vote on him. Which makes no sense at all.

Then again, a lot of what you say doesn't make sense. You voted for Morgan because she "was eager to kill someone" when she was voting to abstain and meanwhile other players (like me) were way more bloodthirsty. I don't know, man, maybe you aren't scum? Maybe you just say incorrect stuff because you're confused.]]

my idea is that by voting me out you guys could be even more convinced that Gabriel is scum given if I die I would return a town value

[[Okay, so the thing is... People were already voting Gabriel. If you believed Gabriel is scum, you'd just... leave your vote on Gabriel. You didn't need to get yourself eliminated in order to get Gabriel eliminated. It was already going to happen. So that doesn't make sense.

Also, if you know you're Town and you want Town to win, then getting eliminated is a bad thing you should try to avoid, 'cause it doesn't help Town win. From your perspective, anyone you could vote for has a chance of being scum besides you. The idea is to persuade us that you're not Scum so we don't waste our daily elimination killing a Townie, and then to be useful after staying alive. So that doesn't make sense, either.

And I mean, just now you said that if Morgan returns correct results on you and Gabriel that her life is guaranteed, but like. Is it really? If she's really the cop, the Mafia will obviously kill her. That's how the game works – think it over.

I have a new theory: you're Wrathful (Vengeful) and wanted to make sure you got to use your shiny kill power.]]

 

[Seren]

Not to mention I personally would find the premise of "promised role madness game but it's actually mostly low/no power and vanilla gameplay" more baffling of a set up than the chaos of "game suddenly ends because of a 360 noscope elimination on D2". As in, I was questioning Morgan's reveal more because of the setup implication, and not suddenly surprised that a condemnee claim could end the game.

[[ quick post to say that I agree with this, it’s certainly not the chaos I would have expected either; I’m note sure I understand what’s so doubtful about a sudden game loss role being included. It’s on the list as possible, so it’s something that should be considered regardless of whether we feel that the host wouldn’t actually use it or not; is that not just the kind of chaos we wouldn’t expect?

I don’t think this changes my vote, but at this point I don’t think that matters anyway since most people feel taking out Gabriel is a higher priority.

I think also be rather dubious if Lyn does waste an examination of Peridot tonight, because I still see no reason to believe they’re not partners? If that was meant to be a counter-claim, it was a very… weak and baffling one.

Anyway, time for work, good luck with your basement Pano, will pop back in around lunch time to make a final decision. ]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

I’m note sure I understand what’s so doubtful about a sudden game loss role being included. It’s on the list as possible, so it’s something that should be considered regardless of whether we feel that the host wouldn’t actually use it or not; is that not just the kind of chaos we wouldn’t expect?

[[The game ending abruptly on Day 1/2 before anything happens isn't "chaos", it's just anticlimax. A waste of Sind's prep time. Whereas everyone arguing about whether or not it's real? That's chaos, sure. I believe that's why it's listed.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

I personally would find the premise of "promised role madness game but it's actually mostly low/no power and vanilla gameplay" more baffling

[[If that's true, then are you also sus of Gabriel and Peridot, who claim to be vanilla town?]]

I did find it a bit strange that Baraz/Chibi was very quick to agree with and jump on the vote from Morgan's reveal, seemingly with zero skepticism.

[[Makes sense to me – lucky Night 1 ping followed by confident claim is completely plausible, and there's no reason I can think of that a Mafioso would say what Morgan/Lyn said.]]

[[Massive sympathies about your boiler. :c What a nightmare.]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

I did find it a bit strange that Baraz/Chibi was very quick to agree with and jump on the vote from Morgan's reveal, seemingly with zero skepticism.

Baraz tilted his head. “I have already said why I find it unlikely that Morgan was lying.” There was compelling evidence that it was not a fabrication, and he had pointed this out several times.

Not to mention I personally would find the premise of "promised role madness game but it's actually mostly low/no power and vanilla gameplay" more baffling of a set up than the chaos of "game suddenly ends because of a 360 noscope elimination on D2".

“This is exactly why I believe that both of our claimed ‘vanilla town’ are lying. I don’t think there are any vanilla town at all.”

I'd also point out that Chibi is also a player very much like Free in that they are hard to read and can easily skirt under the radar as Town when they are decidedly not. Very pot phoning the kettle, at least in the sense of their warning about Free to other players on D1.

Baraz barked out a laugh. “Oh? You fear my guardian and not me?”

[[Sadly gotta break my no OOC rule but I genuinely laughed because I have never actually gotten to play scum. I was assigned it once, but got rolecopped instantly on day 1 and clammed up for the rest of the day because lying stresses me out (and I was afraid of giving them intel on my partner inadvertently). I’m flattered that people believe I have this legendary history of skirting under the radar when it’s never happened, though!]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Sharing the boiler sympathies, Pano. That sucks. Also, gameplay:

Forgot for a minute that ties no longer result in abstention, was worried for a minute that Eon's vote would (probably accidentally/unplannedly) make it possible for Free to swap her vote from me to Eon to tie and abstain but that's not actually a real concern. It sounds like we're not suuuper worried about Condemner but I'll withdraw my vote anyways just for people's peace of mind.]]

"Ooh, ooh, can we unvote Gabriel by swapping our vote to ourselves? I think that'd be funny given the circ-"

Unvote: Gabriel @Sinderella

"Come on, Guardian, you're no fun..."