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[[Well at any rate I apologize then for the confusion, I don't count keeping a secret close as a negative, just an observation of things.]]

[[It is weird! could Steven have had a strong hint perhaps?]]

[[Oh I'm good! Can't speak for anyone else ^^. Thanks though.]]

[[This is fair! I personally dont think the lovers are lying but we'll see! Do you think they're town, not lovers at all, or scum!lovers?]]

[[?? I didn't waffle. I pointed out thoughts I had? Am pretty confused here, bud? I didn't say you keeping you secret close was a problem I said it is fact. It was jsut an observation? This is not good or bad. And I even said this right after you posted? I don't even care tbh. Can you...

[[I am a little confused. I'm assuming you missed the one I quoted you in, fair. But I'm not waffling I am throwing out theories and having discussions! Big difference! Wait for logic post/who you think is scum! ^^]]

[[By all means, I welcome counters (Especially from Mike/Wes/Chibi) if you guys have some! I'm trying my hardest to follow the math.]]

@Shiny Phantump Here, so you dont have to go looking

[[And and to elaborate I'm just saying if Espy is town its not the first time this game we've seem behaviours that seem scummy from innocent! Bart's actions definitely felt scumish (RIP Bart), I think a lot of town independently thought so? So yeah, just an overcomplicated way of saying...

[[Did you... see my other post? My breakdown? Tell me who else could be scum, verifiably and reasonably. Please do]]

[[That is.... an interesting theory. I will deeply ponder something like this.]]

[[I'm saying steven could be a Cop, not rolecop. Espy/Chibi could be our RC's. You're hint only specified two rolecops, right?]]

[[Sorry, I mean free/espy/Goat]]

[[You realize my point is there's only four reasonable scum picks, right? If you're town, alll three of the others (Free,Phan/Goat) are scum]]

[[So if we do somehow have a town vanilla with a hint left alive. Sure! keep it to yourself if it won't help!]]

[[Hints actually mean very little to me now, as both vanilla scum and town have them.]]

[[I never asked you to reveal your hint. In fact, don't. I want you to counter everything else we've been discussing]]

[[Are you saying maybe Chibi is scum RC/stealth town RC? Seems deeply unlikely but I also think the more ironclad we make a defense now the harder of a time mafia will have.]]

[[And given our doctors playstyle appeared waffley and scummy to us I actually think its not impossible to see a version of this where Espy is just Town RC! And perhaps Steven wasn't actually RC, they were either an actual Cop or someone with a hint. Maybe thats why they were killed even. Inke...

[[oh im jsut great hahhaaaa 🙃 I am having fun though!! just bored tonight and this is the most active thing on here, and I like logic puzzles sometimes. But yes, to your last point! So I actually think Espy is actually innocent, just busy irl! Their set of actions make a lot more sense for a...