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Okay... Look. I was just trying to respect Espeon's wish. For all we know this is some elaborate mafia ploy for us to NOT lynch her, and rely on false info for up to two more rounds! My gut is telling me that Espeon is absolutely telling the truth, but still, this isn't really a game thing...

I... hadn't considered that. But it requires them knowing specifically to target Sike, which seems too lucky for me to want to put into consideration if I want to take a gamble, which this will be, albeit with good odds. -- My opinion still stands that we should get rid of Espurr for the...

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask about basic game mechanics, for what it's worth... But Tanuki, I don't really agree with your DW jab just yet--for voting, at least. While, yes, DW seems to be very suspicious based on the scenario I had outlined, it's a little less guaranteed in my eyes...

Only DW is lying - MOSTLY IMPOSSIBLE: Sike protected Chibi. Espurr targeted Chibi. Espurr should have seen both Sike and the killer, and Chibi shouldn't be gone unless it was a ninja-strongman-mafia-oneshot unit. Which sounds terrifying and I'd rather not entertain that notion. The only way this...

I just realized my "only DW is lying" is flawed. Let me revisit that in a second...

Well regardless, it's probably irrelevant anyway, I just realized. My bad! Anyway... Everyone please scrutinize this, since I'm not 100% sure myself, but... Let me try to outline why Tanuki may feel this way, but I don't think I'm coming to the same conclusions. Known knowledge: Espurr...

Okay, so I've been trying to theory craft, but I need to know something before I say anything further: Can a mafia unit perform a kill AND their power, such as a "mafia bus driver" performing both a kill and a switch in one night?

If what Sike said is true, then Espeon should have seen Sike as well as dw... Chibi is eliminated. Espeon ONLY saw dw. If DW is lying, then Chibi wasn't switched, and Espeon should have seen both Sike and DW, and DW was the killer who performed a Strongman or something. But that didn't...

Thanks for the raw information, Espeon. You Watched Chibi, but I imagine the results you gathered NOT say that you were watching "Chibi," right? Just what you saw, right? And you only "saw" DW, not necessarily Chibi. Because I'm pretty sure a swap happens before you do your Watch.

Wait wait I'm confused. What? What??? You're saying that you tracked Chibi, and you only saw one name on Chibi, which was Dawning Winds. If DW is telling the truth and performed a switch, doesn't that technically mean you watched qva instead? And only saw dw's switch there? Aaaaaaaaa help...

Espeon, to verify, is THIS your role that you're claiming? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Watcher Per what Negrek had linked to in the informational thread that predates this one.

Wait--okay, initial shock out of the way, Espeon (without breaking any rules--no copying PMs etc from Negrek) can you verify again what your power is? Tracker, or Seer? Did you see that DW was innocent, or that you saw DW doing something to another character?

WHAT?!

[[ "Oh, innocent while I look guilty, wonderful. I'm wholly unfamiliar to this." Diyem shrugged openly, though despite everything, his tail flame was dimmer than before. Curse his expressive flame. His hammer had long since returned to shadows, and his hands were trembling, though he refused to...

I'd like to second Windskull's point about Espeon/Espurr. I pinged her a while ago and got nothing, and I'm not sure if she's up to playing just yet after all. I can ping her on discord and ask? I'm... not really sure about Starlight. Mentioned that there would be a useful role, and I'm...

There was a heal overlap last game and they didn't die.

...Wait. Heal clash as a kill against a potential mafia member? I hadn't even considered that--well, assuming heal clash is a mechanic here. Wasn't last time, could be here, especially after the decisive victory we had last time.

Side note: If there's a way to find a time zone that doesn't destroy my body, that'd also be potentially helpful. It doesn't even have to be a full day, maybe X hours so the "final countdown" is when participants are all active and awake? My time zone is HST, so that's really inconvenient, so...

Ah... Yeah. That's... also true. Mm. Well. so much for that. This is more or less why I didn't fire off anything on Night 1. If there's no good info on Night 3, I might not fire off then, either... I don't know. I just know I can be helpful IF we've got some split votes, etc. Or something...

I got ninja'd, but let me reiterate: Starlight should NOT reveal anything until and unless it's guaranteed to be going out. It's just to prevent loss of information on the town side. ...Please tell me that isn't a misplay. I don't trust myself anymore on this role-heavy meta.