[[This is not really relevant and I should be actually sorting out my thoughts on the Madeline situation properly so I can vote, but I do want to engage with Yellow because I can get being frustrated in a game like this when you feel like your posts are not being engaged with.
Here is what I said when I voted for Rui:
Dave frowned at the Leafeon. "Well, Watt was innocent, and there's no way Scarlet Woman Hareta could've known about the Virgin, so either that was the world's luckiest fucking guess or your info was bullshit. You could be drunk or poisoned, but personally I'm calling Occam's razor on this one. Picking two good-aligned players and saying one of them's the Poisoner or Scarlet Woman is literally the first suggestion in the manual's playbook for bluffing as the Investigator, and if you get given that as a fake claim, you'd kind of have to claim it immediately to look convincing. I'm not ruling it out just because it's bold play. Meanwhile, Hareta's flailing in a way I can't see from a scum player with knowledge of everyone's roles who thought of doing this claim."
So I did acknowledge you might be drunk or poisoned. Then I said I could not rule out that you were lying on the basis of it being bold play, because it's
not actually super amazingly bold or galaxy brain play in your situation:
as someone relatively new to the game, if you got Investigator as your designated fakeclaim and then looked at the wiki for advice for how to bluff as an Investigator, picking two innocents and saying one of them is a Poisoner or Scarlet Woman is literally the first suggestion there for what you should do. And you would be expected to do it on D1, because a real investigator would give their info on D1. Furthermore, I knew you knew about the wiki, because you asked for a link on Discord and then thanked Windskull when she'd given it to you.
So all in all, I had every reason to think,
in the hypothetical where you were evil and had been given Investigator as a fakeclaim, you would do something very much like what you did yesterday. That didn't mean you
were evil, but it meant the argument that you wouldn't do that if you were evil because it'd be too bold or galaxy brain didn't really pan out.
At the time, the vote was leaning Hareta. I thought this was nuts, because Hareta had given accurate info, and you had given proven
inaccurate info. The only information we had that made anyone in particular
more likely than chance to be evil was the fact you had given info that had then turned out unambiguously wrong, ruling out the possibility you were a genuine unpoisoned Investigator telling the truth. That wasn't
proof you were evil, because there's no such thing when drunk/poisoned is always a possibility - but it was circumstantial evidence that you were more likely to be evil than anyone else. You were
certainly more likely to be evil than Hareta, who had no evidence he was evil, had given accurate info that he could only have by being innocent or a Spy, and was flailing in a very new-player sort of way that made the Spy theory actively seem like a stretch, even beyond the
normal (low) odds that a claimed inforole with accurate info is actually a Spy instead.
So I voted for you, not because you were
definitely evil, but because there was actually
some evidence to suggest you
might be evil, unlike the leading train which had zero such evidence and actually substantial evidence against. I didn't refuse to consider you could be drunk or poisoned; of course you could be, and I explicitly said so, but if we never voted for anyone without 100% ironclad proof they are evil and whatever contradiction we're seeing
can't have been due to being drunk or poisoned, we would never be able to vote for anyone.]]
I came forward with this info because, as Town, there’s no reason for me to hide it. And it would be actively detrimental to Town if I did hide it. Like Pano said, this is a numbers game where Mafia are in the minority—why would I come right out the gate with such an insanely risky play? I would have to assume nobody else is Investigator to counter claim me, and I immediately open myself up for suspicion the second either of my accusations flips town, like what’s happening now.
[[As a minion, you would have gotten a safe fakeclaim with your role - in this hypothetical, Investigator would have been your fakeclaim. You would have known nobody else was Investigator. After giving your info, it was pure chance that both of the people you pointed to then got more-or-less confirmed town same day.
Normally, even if we executed one and they turned out to have been innocent, it would not have invalidated your info, because it would simply have meant it'd have had to be the
other one who was the Scarlet Woman instead. And we don't even get alignment flips when people die, unlike in mafia, so there would've been only moderate odds we'd have even known they were both innocent by the time we'd have killed them - and then even if that happened, you'd still have plausible deniability on the basis you could've been drunk or poisoned. It would've been insanely risky in mafia - but not in this game. You only caught so much heat for it because of the very particular way the day happened to play out. Again - literally the first strategy suggested when bluffing as Investigator on the wiki!
As for dead air, dead villager, all the dead air happened long after I'd gone to bed. As I said, when I voted, Hareta was leading the vote and I was the first person to push back against that and place a non-retaliation vote on you, and I went to sleep soon after. I think I caught a couple of the next votes being cast (Odette's vote in particular I think I remember seeing) but I was not around for the train fully switching over to you or for you posting in your defense, which happened at 3:39 AM my time. I don't know if I would have reconsidered if I'd been there - when I caught up in the morning I still found your defense kind of suspect, and figured if you were scum your partners might have switched over to you once Hareta was a lost cause - but in fact I simply was not there because I was asleep.
Obviously I can't speak for why anyone
else dismissed the unopposed train, but I do suspect a lot of people were simply asleep for the hours ahead of EoD. I don't think it's baffling that you got voted out here, either way; you just had the bad luck of being Drunk and being given info that you of course acted on in good faith as if it were true, and then through a convoluted series of circumstances it happened that it was almost immediately proven false, which pointed the finger of suspicion naturally at you. It
was probably frustrating, and I'm sorry about that. The silver lining is that being dead isn't so bad in this game (being Drunk and thus an Outsider even means your death didn't even contribute to the scum win condition!), so you can still keep on helping town!
I hope that addresses everything you were hoping to see me address about it, but if you have any other questions or niggles I'll do my best to answer them... after I actually figure out what I think about Madeline. If you still think I'm scum that's okay, but I hope at least this helps you feel less frustrated/unheard.]]
