tomatorade
The great speckled bird
vote tomatorade
…[[I…missed this. I’m sorry. Okay scratch that plan I will NOT heal Pano lol]][[Chibi's plan relies on not saying who you'll heal]]
“Dude I wish I knew what happened, I’m just as confused by this is you are,” Spencer explained. "All I know is that I'm a real doc, as is shown by myself saying Anubis was not a PGO back on day two since I visited him night one, and that I posted my rolecard at the same time as Anubis and Sriracha. I get that you still think that I may be suspicious because of the possibility of fake rolecards, but I promise that mine is real."She then looked at Spencer, worry coloring her face. "Stracion's plan didn't work. Weren't you supposed to protect Anubis? What happened?"
She hugged her arms to herself. "That's the second person you were supposed to protect who got eliminated that night. That has me worried that we either have two haters in our midst still, or Spencer can't be trusted."
"That would make since with how many docs we have this game. Three confirmed docs who are already dead, one doc who's essentially confirmed but has also failed in every attempt he's made -that being myself- and then four more doc claims of which we lost one more, who flipped homie anyway. That leaves us with four doc claims in the final five, so an extra strong shot or roleblock would make sense," Spencer reasoned."I think there was like, a game where the thugs got two strong shots and where the same thug could kill and roleblock on the same night?" Stracion said, flinging the crumpled magazine onto the table. "Not the usual deal, but it's happened at least once, apparently."
[Could the missing food and crumb trail be strongman kill flavor, then yesterday might have been a roleblock with the two scum?][[The one thing I noticed about Sriracha's elimination was the lack of strongman kill flavor by the GM. Granted this isn't a guarantee and probably varies by GM, but most (if not all?) of my TR Mafia experiences had specific flavor to hint at a strongman elimination, of which I missed several times! It's why I paid attention to it this time, specifically. This isn't foolproof b/c again, GM style varies, but lack of strongman flavor here suggests roleblock interference. and AFIK there is no swapping present in this setup per the sign up thread list of possible roles.]]
[I don't think it would be three scum with two still remained due to the small game, but if it is then one wrong elimination means game over. I'm leaning towards this being the first strongman shot, with the previous night being a roleblock.][[Welp of course there would be. I assumed the block and shot would have to be by separate people. Ughhhh. Is there some world where we still have two scum tho? All I'm saying is at this point we're getting low enough that a mis-elimination is not good, and even worse if we've still got two haters to deal with]]
Rui shook her head firmly. “I don’t know. I said this earlier that it’s possible Spencer is a thug doctor, but revealing his role that day still would have been a big risk since his letter would then not be identical to the others. I don’t think Spencer would take that risk if he were scum. He’d just stay quiet. Plus, he has a point! Why would he shoot the people he’s supposed to protect? That just makes him look worse!”"That's the second person you were supposed to protect who got eliminated that night. That has me worried that we either have two haters in our midst still, or Spencer can't be trusted."
[[This struck me as odd, too. Did we even get death flavor for anybody else? Idk if it’s a hint or not, but if it is, I have not a single clue what it means, lol. Syrup??[Could the missing food and crumb trail be strongman kill flavor, then yesterday might have been a roleblock with the two scum?]
"...Huh," Jack said, scratching his chin. "I'd been assuming there were definitely at least three scum players in play, one way or another. I mean, with eleven players, and so much healing going around...? Just two mafia and a town-controlled kill in this setup seems like it'd be pretty slanted. I guess if they had some really strong powers, like you're saying, it might work...?" He frowned. "But I'm really not convinced that we only ever had two anti-town players in all this. Maybe you're right that they're at least less likely to be partners, though.""I think there was like, a game where the thugs got two strong shots and where the same thug could kill and roleblock on the same night?" Stracion said, flinging the crumpled magazine onto the table. "Not the usual deal, but it's happened at least once, apparently."
[[4th Anniversary Vanilla Mafia had a low-numbers scumteam so they got some perks to help even things out, and those were the two perks.]]
"Right. There were two main things that struck me about how Rui was acting towards the end yesterday. One was that when Stracion suggested voting for her as an acknowledged sort of arbitrary pick, just the one vote, she got a bit weirdly defensive about it."Anyways, hi. Hello, all, I am starting to stress the heck out with how few of us are left. 😂 I see that several of you are not liking my play at EOD, but no reasons as to why, yet—I’d really like to hear those reasons so I can address them. And hopefully ease your worries? I will do the best I can, in any case.
"But okay, sure, townies get defensive sometimes, and sometimes I scumread that and the person turns out to be town anyway. What I found weirder was her progression on Phoebe."[[Well…ok then.
Do we really want to vote people out based on nothing but vibes this far into the game when we haven’t eliminated a single scum? We’ve lost 4 town members and will stand to lose another. If you’re going to vote me, at the very least give me a real reason beyond “vibes.”
"Here she thinks Phoebe is super suspicious."Honestly though, it comes down to tomatorade or Pano for me. I’m not familiar with Tomatorade’s style, so I have no idea what to make of it, but it does seem very shifty and smoke-blowy and it’s setting off all kinds of alarms in my head. But maybe that’s just how they play?? Idk??? It’s still SUS AF though, especially since I don’t really buy that there’s a town aligned PGO in this setup. Idk. Is PGO normally a town role? Or can it be anything?
Pano is stressing me out lol. (Ily Pano.) Her defensiveness and aggressive pushing here reminds me a lot of when she was SK (or scum? Idr) a while back and the way she responded when placed under suspicion. But then again, maybe this is the way she always behaves when under scrutiny? She usually dies in the night instead lol. Which. LUCKY. Dying in the night is WAY less stressful than getting voted out in the day, LOL.
Anyway…HNGH I’ve made up my mind that it’s gotta be tomato or Pano today. They’re both setting off my alarms like crazy.
"This is the next thing she said. Okay, Stracion's argument is starting to make sense, but she's still suspicious of Phoebe. Fair enough. But..."Chibi’s argument in favor of Pano is starting to make sense. I’m still sus as heck of Pano, but for now I think I gotta go with the bigger wild card. Pano is at least theorizing and trying to game solve and come up with explanations. Tomatorade…hasn’t really don’t that. At most they’ve just kinda waffled around, which—yeah, as I’m saying that, is a scum tell. Ok I’ve made up my mind.
"Suddenly, literally five minutes later, she wants to heal Phoebe because she's going to get targeted as a threat to scum. So suddenly she's just assuming Phoebe's town? That didn't seem right."[[Aight, how’s this: tonight, I will heal Pano. Odds are good she’ll get targeted being the vig which is a threat to scum.]]
“Nah, I can totally see us still having two anti-homies hangin around, I just got doubts about them being on the same side is all.”"But I'm really not convinced that we only ever had two anti-town players in all this. Maybe you're right that they're at least less likely to be partners, though."
I’m not 100% town on Chibi, Free or Yellow, which I know makes me sus since everyone else reads them as hard town. Or at least, Yellow thinks I’m sus since I’m not hard town for Chibi when she is. Which makes me wonder if their doctor claims are untrue and they’re working together.]]
"As you can see here, the recently eliminated Derek mentions suspicions of Jack, Rui, and Stracion. Derek also mentions Issac's statement about Stracion's role, but we'll get back to that in a minute."I just don't get why several people are determined that Stracion is Town? Rui is suspicious of me for this, but I don't feel like I'm overly fixated on Stracion, just that she doesn't feel particularly Town because I haven't seen many things that are super helpful from her, imo. I'll try to go back and read through while I'm at work/on break. But Isaac's defense of "yeah Stracion may be lying about being a doc but I trust her anyways" has me going HNGGGGG]]
"Here, the now departed from playing the game Derek question's Stracion's choice of voting Rui when Issac had been accused and evidence to vote against Issac was being posted without any evidence for voting Rui at the time. The same Issac who was, in fact, not one of the homies."He glanced at Stracion. “Why Rui? We have less than an hour left, you’re also not confident about Isaac. Are you just trying to prevent him being voted off until everyone else speaks up?”
"Notice here how Issac, who flipped scum when voted out specifies how Jack and Stracion are safe, and suggests that Stracion isn't a doctor, despite no once one having called into question what Stracion's role is, other than the usual commentary on every doctor claim this game. At this point, we have no evidence to assume that Stracion is not a doctor other than the late claim, and being called safe by a non-homie doesn't create the best look for someone who isn't confirmed.""I mean, I've got a feeling I know who most people are at this point [[*cough* the entire emergency ward *cough*]], I think Stracion and Jack are safe even if Stracion's not a doctor
"Notice here, Stracion heals Jack. Of course, this isn't suspicious on its own, and sensible reasonings is placed alongside it. But the possibility of two scum makes Stracion -who is suspicious thanks to an endorsement from Issac- suspicious, and the possibility of three makes Jack suspicious by proxy." Spencer pointed from Stracion to Jack. "At this point I'm sure that this just sounds like the ramblings of an overthinker, but I'm not done yet."“Both nights Jack. Yeah, I know, real original, add another to the fish-boy fan club. He was making sense day 1, and on day 2, I figured you guys had your little heal triangle thing going on, but if there was a second killer around, might as well protect the guy making the most sense who we already knew wasn’t a redneck.”
"Here, Jack mentions suspicions of Phoebe in reference to her Vigi claim and previous mention of the possibility of a Vigi without claiming to be one. This aforementioned theories of Phoebe were from well before we learned that the roles of this game were supplied by a med school, so Phoebe may have been trying to divert attention while alluding to her role early game, as a Vigi reveal would be like wearing a sign that says "punch me" in a normal game of mafia. This doesn't mean I trust Phoebe, I'm just saying that Jack's callout here seems a little off. Maybe even, unusual. Jack might be a homie, I'm just bringing this up as something to keep in mind, especially since Jack is using Rui's mention of Phoebe being suspicious as evidence against Rui.""Likewise here she's clearly actively advancing theories she knows to be false if she's actually the vig who shot him. She's even hinting she's got a vig read on either Stracion or Victoria? I don't know. Generally townies tell the truth as they see it, but going out of your way to fake a read on someone else as having the role that you have? That's at least unusual."
"Still really curious what you mean by this. If you trust Stracion, why not trust her doctor claim? I would almost think you're actually lovers except we were promised there wouldn't be any."
"We can see Jack question Issac about trusting Stracion but not Stracion's doctor claim. Issac never elaborated [that I could find], so this lends some credence to Jack being town unless the scumteam is playing 5d chess here.""I'm very curious what he means about thinking Stracion's safe even if she's not a doctor. So you think she'd be fakeclaiming but still town? What's that supposed to mean? Still wish he said more about his suspicions than just sort of vaguely throwing out that he's suspicious based on vibes."
"Issac, who again, was a Thug, brings up how he trusts Jack and Stracion when pressed for a readlist by Rui. Issac mentions a lack of proof, but believes they are homies while distrusting Phoebe, Rui, and Derek. As Jack has now said something contradictory if you recall my mentioning of Jack suspecting Phoebe and now using Rui's suspicions of Phoebe as evidence of suspicion, this contradicts Issac's point of Jack being consistent. Furthermore, why Rui push Issac for a readlist if Rui is scum too?"Free/Chibi: Pretty certain they're town. I fell like I've made it seem like I have some sort of concrete proof of that, but I don't. They've made the most sense to me so far. Free especially has done so much work this game and haven't to my knowledge said or done anything contradictory or suspect in my eyes. This does not 100% clear, but without absolute proof, they're my next reads as town.
"And finally, we have Stracion's plan. A plan that specifically tells the Vigi to not shoot the suspicious person due to their fake claim, though of course it would be reasonable if the claim was true. A plan that set me up to heal someone who got killed anyway, took focus off of both Jack and Stracion, and put the chances of death on Rui and Derek instead of telling them to heal each other when they were both claiming doc too. Wouldn't three doc duos made more sense than two, especially if we wanted to figure out who the fake was? Now we have four doc claims and a vigi claim who can, at the very least, kill even if they aren't vigi, and no closer to actually figuring out who is scum.""Anubis and Spencer trust each other so they heal each other. Jack and I trust each other, same deal. Haters might have a roleblocker or another strong shot, but it's our best bet. Now, if Phoebe's still here after the vote, then her shot's gotta go somewhere, right? Obviously at someone sus. Isaac's PGO claim makes him a bad call because if we're wrong our numbers go down by two, which is a big yikes. So it should obvs go to either Derek or Rui. Speaking of, Derek heals either Anubis or Spencer, Rui aims at me or Jack. Don't say who."
[[Yeah, I’ll be honest, I wasn’t at my best here. Hasn’t been the best week for me irl, I only remembered to check the thread when there was like 20 minutes left of the phase, and I saw a vote had been placed on me with no real reasons given for it. Considering the fact that I was a bit blindsided by this, combined with the fact that in my mind we had at least two or three other players who were far more concerning, I was frustrated. In hindsight, I know that my kneejerk reaction didn’t do me any favors; that’s easily one of my weakest spots in this game. I get easily frustrated when people throw votes on me without at least explaining beyond “vibes.”]]"Right. There were two main things that struck me about how Rui was acting towards the end yesterday. One was that when Stracion suggested voting for her as an acknowledged sort of arbitrary pick, just the one vote, she got a bit weirdly defensive about it."
[[…Yeah, I can see how this looks really weird. If you’ll bear with me, I’ll explain my thought process here:"Suddenly, literally five minutes later, she wants to heal Phoebe because she's going to get targeted as a threat to scum. So suddenly she's just assuming Phoebe's town? That didn't seem right."