[Night 1] Odile's 7 Deadly Scumtells Mafia

[EonDuoLatios]

[[You are aware that I'm currently one of the people voting to abstain from killing someone, or are you not?]]

[OOC: Yes, but to a degree this is worse for me arguably b/c if you advocate for a day 1 kill and yet refuse to put your mouth where your money is, it may just mean you're just trying to not get voted out yourself and also gambling that the people vote a townie out because of your proposition, in a sense getting others to do the bidding for you]
[Though I mean maybe I'm playing too much x dimensional chess]

 

[Dragonfree]

Gabriel tilted his head. "Yeah, uh, that seems like a weird reason to go Morgan. I mean, I'm voting for her, for reasons I already explained, but she's one of the people voting to not kill anyone today. Like, she said she doesn't like killing people on day one but was reluctant to advocate for that. I think you got it backwards."

[[Some paranoia setting in here, EonDuoLatios could be stepping in to get on a train and hastily justify it post hoc without reading closely...? But could also just be confused town??]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[OOC: Yes, but to a degree this is worse for me arguably b/c if you advocate for a day 1 kill and yet refuse to put your mouth where your money is, it may just mean you're just trying to not get voted out yourself and also gambling that the people vote a townie out because of your proposition, in a sense getting others to do the bidding for you]
[Though I mean maybe I'm playing too much x dimensional chess]

[[Frankly, yes you are. If you want to vote someone you vote someone, you don't change your vote to abstain in order to tie the lead between abstaining and someone other unrelated person. The reasoning I've been told for voting people day 1 is to see how people react and if any factional lines start to show, and I've been killed for not participating in that before. So I gave it a shot, got what I think is a town read on the person we put pressure one, I stopped wanting to kill them, and I withdrew my vote.]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[I feel like Eon was also confusing but turned out to be town last game...? Aaaagh]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[I'm leaving for the day shortly, and I'm sticking with abstain, but I'm *very* confused about the vote train on Morgan rn. I don't think that's a good idea. People can change their minds? It's Day 1?? Do we have a current vote count @Sinderella ?]]

 

[EonDuoLatios]

[[I feel like Eon was also confusing but turned out to be town last game...? Aaaagh]]

[[Lmao I swear if history repeats itself]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[Informally, my count is 3 abstain, 3 for me, 2 for Free, 1 from Grovyle. Assuming your abstain vote gets spotted and counted mid-post without a ping.]]

 

[Persephone]

[If abstains win or are tied, will there not be a socially condoned murder?]

 

[Seren]

Before I change my vote... I've noticed several players have offered some degree of suspicion towards Nocitlālin, but nobody has actually voted for her. I can't say I trust her any more than anyone else myself, and that 'hey, who should we kill?' message came off as a little craven to me, so I would be willing to vote for her, but... first I want to see one of the players who's talked about her put their money where their mouth is, so to speak."

Kimiko shot yet another wary glare at the metagross before speaking up. “My only true gripe so far was that levitating stunt they pulled, but that had come before anyone received roles. And the ‘who do we kill’ felt more like a blunt statement over if we can agree to vote someone out today, since killing them is effectively what we’d be doing.” She offered a shrug. “I did not vote them because distaste is not evidence of guilt.”

She sighed. “I’m still hesitant to vote anyone out yet with such… vague speculation. So I’m officially voting to abstain for now.” [ @Sinderella ]

[[For a more friendly clarification, I have no feelings towards Persephone one way or the other at this point game-wise; any ‘issues’ Kimiko has have been purely harmless RP flavor and it would be incredibly stupid to vote for someone because of that, imo.

This will probably be the last post I get before end of day though, so making my abstain official.

Fwiw I am also rather ??? about the Morgan train that appears to be forming; it’s the same ‘do we vote D1 or do we not’ argument that Tetra and I made note of earlier. If anything all this does to me is make me a little more suspicious of anyone eager to actually jump on the bandwagon here… ]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[tie on Day 1 is no murder, correct. I didn't see a note about pings for official votes (did a quick scroll to see if others pinged for their vote and got mixed results so I didn't.) Apologies if that's normally expected, it's been a hot minute since I last played.]]

 

[Seren]

[If abstains win or are tied, will there not be a socially condoned murder?]

On Day 1 only, a tie will result in nobody being eliminated. After Day 1, a tie will result in the elimination of the first player that reached that number of votes. (For example, if person A reaches 4 votes, and then person B reaches 4 votes, then person A will be eliminated. If person C reaches 4 votes, and then 4 votes are put towards No Elimination, then person C would be eliminated, while no one would be eliminated in the opposite situation).

[[Per the signup thread, no]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[@EonDuoLatios Did you misread, or am I misreading your argument, or what? Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me; if Morgan was particularly eager to eliminate somebody but wanted others to do the dirty work, why do you think she would initially vote to eliminate somebody (not even as the first person to accuse them) but then say once someone else has suggested abstaining that actually she thinks we should abstain too but just thought it'd sound bad if she advocated that? Admission that you only voted somebody because you thought that looked better than voting to abstain is not exactly ringing encouragement for others to vote somebody out. It's weirding me out that you're voting her on the basis of something that seems incorrect and seem content with that?]]

 

[Seren]

[[tie on Day 1 is no murder, correct. I didn't see a note about pings for official votes (did a quick scroll to see if others pinged for their vote and got mixed results so I didn't.) Apologies if that's normally expected, it's been a hot minute since I last played.]]

[[I don’t think this is in the rules but it certainly does make it easier for the host to count votes rather than have to comb each individual post, I imagine, so it’s a process most people have adopted regardless]]

 

[Dragonfree]

@EonDuoLatios Proper mention for the above post, since it didn't seem to work there

 

[Dragonfree]

[[To be clear, it's okay if you have a different take on why Morgan is suspect, I just want to hear what your thought process was when you were reading her posts that made you draw that conclusion]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

Matthias was unconscious. Soon, his [[guardian spirit]] would be too.

[[Fuckin' hell, okay. I know some folks were saying something about Lyn's posts being too concerned with optics over results but frankly I've had plenty of similar thought processes while Town myself, she's clearly being up-front about her thinking, and she's well-conditioned to be fixated on how things look after only ever playing scum. Also, it doesn't read as scummy to me to try not to get eliminated, it's normal to want to play the game. Admittedly I just don't want her to be mafia, so confirmation bias might be in play here, but I'm not really up for eliminating her on D1.]]

[[I'm not a fan of any of Eon's reasoning, but it doesn't read like scum to me. I think a player with a scumteam would say something a bit sharper, maybe? I dunno, man, I'm knackered.]]

[[I want to believe what Chibi said about Lyn and Pers not working together. It's not exactly a tie-breaking vote, but fuck it, I'll change my vote to Persephone @Sinderella to kick off a new possible wagon. If she flips Town I'll reexamine my read on Lyn.]]

[[Goodnight, all. And if I don't see you on D2, it's been real fun. Take care, and good luck.]]

 

[EonDuoLatios]

[[...I just want to hear what your thought process was when you were reading her posts that made you draw that conclusion]]

[[My thought process is that if she voted someone directly and tried to make people fire at will, she would be overly suspicious, so she is trying to hedge her bets by instead not voting anyone at first and just praying someone votes favourably, and her initial posts don't really show she's that unfavourable toward voting for someone]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

[[Some paranoia setting in here, EonDuoLatios could be stepping in to get on a train and hastily justify it post hoc without reading closely...? But could also just be confused town??]]

"No," Baraz said flatly. "I don't think this is a sign he is the enemy. I think he does not understand what is or is not suspicious. I do not expect his vote to have a deeper meaning."

 

[Dragonfree]

[[My thought process is that if she voted someone directly and tried to make people fire at will, she would be overly suspicious, so she is trying to hedge her bets by instead not voting anyone at first and just praying someone votes favourably, and her initial posts don't really show she's that unfavourable toward voting for someone]]

[[That's not how it happened, though? At first she did vote somebody (yiran), and then afterwards she said actually she wanted to abstain but she thought not wanting to vote anyone would look suspicious. So you were thinking that she just changed her mind on what she wanted to do, and said she thought not voting would look suspicious while actually thinking voting had looked suspicious and wanting to not look suspicious by abstaining?

Mmmmmgh. Well, I think that sounds extremely unlikely, but the fact you're sticking to your guns on it and not floundering when confronted is making me think you're probably not pushing a scum agenda with this. I'll stay on Morgan.]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

Neo was about to poke fun at Fussy-Human for being so, well, fussy, but then many people started talking. All at once.

He flicked his ears worriedly. “I want to take down Bad Guys. Don’t want to take down friends.” He glanced around at each of them. “Not…sure enough.”

[[Ooookay whew I’ve had a heck of a day at work and multiple pages to read. Uh, I really don’t know what to make of this yet, I need to read everything more closely for solid thoughts but I wanted to get a post in.

In a vanilla game, I’d be down to vote somebody out. Buuut in a role madness game, we could very well have more than one death each night, which means we would have to vote super carefully in the day. I’m not really on board with voting for anyone rn because I would hate to help scum trim down the numbers so early.

I’m leaning to vote to abstain, but real quick, @Sinderella (or someone else who has been more present than me) can you give me a rundown of where the votes are currently at?]]