[Night 1] Odile's 7 Deadly Scumtells Mafia

[Shiny Phantump]

"Perhaps you would have some thoughts about how to navigate the fact that only half appear to be playing the game, then?

Morgan shrugged, indifferent. “Maybe if someone’s doing the bare minimum required to get by, we revisit this discussion. But the real do-nothings? Voting for them won’t get any reads outta them, and they’ll flip when Satan kills them herself!”

[[And what happens if like four or five people die this way is a bride I’ll cross if we come to it, I guess?]]

"Killing a good guy is reckless strategy, unsound tactics."

[[A quick post, don't mind Anubis, this is a flavorful way of me saying that I don't get D1 kills especially in a role madness game, but I am sure folks will disagree vehemently and we'll do the same song and dance. I don't relish the idea of throwing completely blind.

Morgan couldn’t discount the possibility that he was right, she was accustomed to playing off information she didn’t have on the first day. But she enjoyed the chance to play with her food a little. “Okay, maybe, but consider also: I’m having fun~”

[[Morgan’s being mean because Morgan but honestly on my end? My heart of hearts is still in this camp, but people really don’t seem to like it when I do that. Kept getting called scummy and being killed for it, which ofc was accurate at the time but I don’t really get the reasoning any better this time. I mean, I got my start winning a super townie Role Madness setup because they randomly killed the cop D1 as I narrowly avoiding being killed for trying to stop them. I’ve given up on making the D1 abstain hill mine to die on but if other people actually go for it, I won’t try to stop it.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

"Though I would have thought to go among the less active members; if we are to find the liars, how would we be able to work that out with silent individuals?"

"I suppose that gives us the information that if you were to be one of the liars, you could be protecting a silent ally who has yet to contribute.

"Perhaps you would have some thoughts about how to navigate the fact that only half appear to be playing the game, then?

Matthias nodded sympathetically, and shrugged. "We don't need to worry about truly silent individuals, dear sir. Per our host's crystal-clear rules, silent players will be replaced, or even killed off if a replacement can't be found... as I said before."

[[Having played a number of games on Thousand Roads, the Mafia are invariably active while absent players most commonly flip Town, or on one occasion, Third Party. I'm not making the mistake again of killing them off first, let alone when Sind/Odile will do it for us!]]

Matthias glanced sidelong at Morgan, a smile creeping onto his face. In truth, his vote hadn't been entirely random – in his mental spreadsheet, he'd already noted Grovyle pressing Baraz about having an inforole. It was the closest thing to actual suspicion he'd been able to glean. Interesting that the Mismagius would pick up on that too – did it necessarily mean anything? Not as such, but he could spare some silent approval.

"Whoa wait I don't see why we're so quick to just kill someone! Unless we have good information," Anubis barked.

He didn't like this. A hunt was supposed to only iniate on a target they knew, not just have the pack randomly start chasing tails.

"Killing a good guy is reckless strategy, unsound tactics."

[[A quick post, don't mind Anubis, this is a flavorful way of me saying that I don't get D1 kills especially in a role madness game, but I am sure folks will disagree vehemently and we'll do the same song and dance. I don't relish the idea of throwing completely blind.]]

Matthias put his palms up and shook his head in a mollifying gesture.

"That's entirely understandable! But just think – it's not really possible to win as Town by collecting evidence and voting only when 'certain' of guilt. What if the Mafia were to kill off the only Cop before they could tell us anything? How do we know someone with 'proof' of guilt isn't a liar? Or if reported results aren't simply wrong? The cold truth is that the only way for Town to win is by voting off players, and the only certain knowledge any of us have are the contents of our role notes, and the way dead players flip."

He smiled thinly, as something amusing occurred to him.

"It's also the only way to gather public information on day one, since not voting allows the Mafia to avoid any suspicion, as they have no record to be suspicious of."

 

[yiran]

Really? The Mismagius was going to be the one that piled on him? And she has the audacity to claim it's all "a little fun" instead of treating this seriously. "Of course, another no-good ghost type up to nefarios deeds. I suppose," he points an arm at Morgan, leaf glowing green, "I'll have to vote you too." Vote Shiny Phantump / Morgan

Part of him knows that it's a little bit of bias from his previous experiences with Dusknoir, but looking over to the other individuals that don't seem to be speaking up, he wishes there would be more information going around. After all, it could just be in a Mismagius's nature to be sowing animosity.

[[My issue with this game is I am a pretty invested RPer and like to play with in-universe character biases and personality, which obviously can become a problem in lining up when my character is not familiar with mafia terms + a lot of gameplay stances and thoughts are given through OOC text. For example, I physically cannot respond to the grid that Matthias / unrepentantAuthor made in character.

It's very clear that I'll be unable to give full thoughts and I am interested in playing the mafia portion of the game seriously so I do apologize for breaking RP and talking most of my mafia game thoughts in OOC brackets.

I'll be clear here. It was moderately obvious that Baraz / Chibi Pika was roleplaying a headstrong character. The accusation levied on them was an in-character scumread, where Grovyle is unfamiliar with the rules and Level 1 thinking that by claiming they are the "best" character, they would have to know other roles too. Characterizing it as an attempt to PR fish feels disingenuous, as I made no attempt to vote that slot, but simply applying a bit of pressure in case the "best role" claim was somehow game info.

I'm generally a very OMGUSSY town but I held back on Matthias (Greninja) slot because they organized the information very clearly on each of the players. While it is not locktown for them but in an inactive game state such information is pretty hard to come by, especially for those who are spending less time or paying less attention to the thread. By offering this information to the town it is clearly +EV for town and we do not D1 townsiders. However, I do highly disagree with giving inactive players d1 passes. Unless there is an active scumread in the active players, by allowing mafia to coast by while being quiet, this reduces the incentive for players to talk (town included!) and results in less interaction to gleam info off of.

A second reason I didn't OMGUS here was that mafia level 1 would not drawn attention to themselves by initiating the first vote; if they were mafia as one of the few active voices it would be easy to coast and assuming their partners show up to vote, ensure someone on the mafia team doesn't end up pressured.

The vote on Shiny Phantump is part in-character bias towards ghost types, part minor scumlean. They could easily be a town but I want to put a bit of pressure on them over other slots.

[[Fishing for info on power roles is (would usually be) probably the closest thing to a strong D1 scumread I could hope for. Vaguely thought about throwing out a jab in that direction my last post along the lines of "you shouldn't want to know where the power roles are yet either" but honestly at that point it was the only thing to have happened so if you wanted to do something it was kinda all that was there to comment on? That makes me less suspicious of it than normal, especially because it is kinda weird gameplay to softclaim "the best role" D1. Enough so that I didn't wanna start a train on them, but hey fuck it I'll hop onto one. I'm not married to this vote but I wanna at least see some reasoning for that gameplay.]]

This doesn't make sense to me. You admit that Baraz (Floatzel)'s claim of best role is weird, but then somehow my comment pressuring it is worthy enough of being a vote? I had a genuine light scumlean / pressure on the claim of best role, which I feel if you were town, you would appreciate my intent if you also found that comment weird. Given now that it's almost entirely RP, I am dismissing it, but your piling and justification are >rand wolf to me.

That being said, there are plenty of slots that are inactive and I'd much rather ask them to participate and I am by no means locked onto Shiny Phantump / Morgan.]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[Just as a quick heads up to yiran - I don’t think most players here frequent dedicated mafia spaces much, so not everyone is familiar with jargon like OMGUS, +EV, >rand wolf, etc.!

Very brief explainer from my understanding:
OMGUS: “oh my god, you suck”, i.e. voting someone who just voted for you
+EV: “positive expected value”, i.e. an action that is on balance helpful
>rand wolf: “more likely than random to be wolf/mafia”]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

Grovyle pondered what the Floatzel was saying. Perhaps it was in their nature that they simply wanted to put themselves at the forefront, and he was reading too much into things. At least, it certainly didn't look like anyone else thought their comment was worth noting as out of place. "Perhaps you would have some thoughts about how to navigate the fact that only half appear to be playing the game, then?

Baraz scoffed. “Those that lie silent don’t strike me as the biggest threat.”

Some instinct was telling him that in games like these, the enemy was never so passive. If they truly said nothing, they had no way to manipulate their peers, and no way to sway the group without all voting suddenly at the end—and if they did that, then he’d have no trouble catching them all, ha! But no, he doubted he’d get so lucky.

I suspect Chibi is just doing RP with the ‘best role’ thing since their character is like that, so I wouldn’t read much into it.

Baraz smirked at the human boy. Though the boy hadn’t spoken, his guardian, the one who summoned him here, had voiced an opinion just as well.

“Oh? You think I have no reason for saying this? Sorry to disappoint, but you are mistaken.”

 

[yiran]

Baraz smirked at the human boy. Though the boy hadn’t spoken, his guardian, the one who summoned him here, had voiced an opinion just as well.

“Oh? You think I have no reason for saying this? Sorry to disappoint, but you are mistaken.”

Grovyle wasn't sure how to take this at first. He wanted to attribute Baraz's words to simply his gusto, but he insists that there's something more. "In that case," he started, "I eagerly await to see what you can pull off! If we are to kill someone by vote, let it not be the Floatzel."

[[This is a shield on Baraz / Chibi Pika's slot - don't think it makes sense to vote someone claiming strength in role d1.]]

 

[unrepentantAuthor]

[[The general idea with our RP Mafia games is that we're playing 'for real' and then flavour our posts through our characters to whatever extent we can. We have a convention of referring to OOC text as being 'guardians' or 'spirits' speaking to our characters, and a certain degree of allowance for flavour contrivance and narrative discontinuity when necessary. For instance, nobody expects alignment to be identifiable from internal narration! I would add that RP/flavour-only justification for suspecting/voting for someone is above board for Day 1, but on subsequent days it would become bad form – at least in my view.]]

“Oh? You think I have no reason for saying this? Sorry to disappoint, but you are mistaken.”

Matthias raised a brow and gave Baraz a series of slow claps. "Oh, now this is interesting. How bold! Isn't that claim sort of a... projective test? The 'best' role is surely something subjective. I could guess at what role the Floatzel thinks best, but who knows? I look forward to finding out!"

[[Bluff, double bluff, triple bluff? No idea. It's fun, though!]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[Just as a quick heads up to yiran - I don’t think most players here frequent dedicated mafia spaces much, so not everyone is familiar with jargon like OMGUS, +EV, >rand wolf, etc.!

Very brief explainer from my understanding:
OMGUS: “oh my god, you suck”, i.e. voting someone who just voted for you
+EV: “positive expected value”, i.e. an action that is on balance helpful
>rand wolf: “more likely than random to be wolf/mafia”]]

[[hi that person who doesn't know jargon is me. lowkey thought OMGUS was some kind of amongus parody so, yeah this was helpful Free, thank you! Also have zero issue with seeing jargon used, cool to have a dedicated mafia player join the mix. Nice to meet you yiran!]]

 

[Dragonfree]

[[Okay, I may be delayed a little further in getting to sit down for Proper Responses, getting pulled on an IRL errand which hopefully shouldn’t take too long. May try to do some rereading on my phone in between when I can?

Just to give you something until then (with apologies for lack of RP), though, gut vibes so far are I think Chibi would probably not be doing this as mafia, Persephone is giving me some of what I think are the same vague vibes as when she’s been scum before but also I would have to go back to previous games to confirm and I don’t really have a point of comparison there because hahahaha (sorry Persephone), not convinced yiran was fishing for PRs at a glance by asking what Chibi was getting at but not super familiar with playstyle, neutral on Jackie so far, vaguely iffy on Shiny Phantump’s wanting to abstain but also not wanting to advocate abstaining, nothing has stuck out for anyone else]]

 

[yiran]

[[Okay, I may be delayed a little further in getting to sit down for Proper Responses, getting pulled on an IRL errand which hopefully shouldn’t take too long. May try to do some rereading on my phone in between when I can?

Just to give you something until then (with apologies for lack of RP), though, gut vibes so far are I think Chibi would probably not be doing this as mafia, Persephone is giving me some of what I think are the same vague vibes as when she’s been scum before but also I would have to go back to previous games to confirm and I don’t really have a point of comparison there because hahahaha (sorry Persephone), not convinced yiran was fishing for PRs at a glance by asking what Chibi was getting at but not super familiar with playstyle, neutral on Jackie so far, vaguely iffy on Shiny Phantump’s wanting to abstain but also not wanting to advocate abstaining, nothing has stuck out for anyone else]]

[[Going to put town Dragonfree as well, with actually higher conviction than Chibi Pika. While she's experienced and possibly can fake mafia pov, not showing up yesterday to manipulate game state as presumably someone with threadpull in this PL (player list). I waited before commenting because although I don't know her too well, I 100% expected this slot to agree on me not fishing for PRs, and was just waiting for her to say it because there's a chance she wouldn't do it as mafia. In an inactive PL 2 RVS (random voting stage) votes matter much more than others; assuming 1 or 2 of the RVS is town, then it's very easy for mafia or another incorrect town to pile on me with nothing going on, and Dragonfree mafia can take advantage of that by simply refraining from commenting on me.

Also I think Dragonfree's correction on my overuse of terminology is probably warranted / shows high expertise, so I expect her to be pretty high contribution to town if town and I can re-evaluate if she scumsides and/or avoids NKs for too long.]]

"Whoa wait I don't see why we're so quick to just kill someone! Unless we have good information," Anubis barked.

He didn't like this. A hunt was supposed to only iniate on a target they knew, not just have the pack randomly start chasing tails.

"Killing a good guy is reckless strategy, unsound tactics."

[[A quick post, don't mind Anubis, this is a flavorful way of me saying that I don't get D1 kills especially in a role madness game, but I am sure folks will disagree vehemently and we'll do the same song and dance. I don't relish the idea of throwing completely blind.

Also I get off work in about.... 6 hours? I'll try to post in between but I expect once I'm home I'll be able to post more, I'll have a good 5 or so hours to do so]]

Grovyle pondered Anubis the Houndoom's suggestion. Surely there was at least some merit to considering a lack of voting in this scenario. His actual confidence in the Mismagius being an evil role wasn't even that high, but he didn't really have a better vote. Having experienced what it felt to be voted, he wondered if it was an appriopriate action if others did not have any signs of lying.

[[I do think there may be merit to sleeping / novoting in town PR heavy setups. First of all, if town has KP (kill power) then they are not simply gifting away free kills to mafia; second of all if there are cops the pool of nightkills is bigger and mafia have a lower probability of finding them + we can't mispush a cop either.

Going to bed soon (Asia time zone), setting an alarm for eod but not sure I'll make it.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

Morgan shrugged at the Grovyle. “Turnabout is fair play, but your reasoning’s flimsy and I’m inclined to ignore it unless other people agree”

[[Even after Free helped translate the unfamiliar jargon, I don’t really understand what you’re getting at other than you trust Jackie (as do I so far, although the fact they’ve done this kinda spreadsheeting in the past means they have to either do it again or risk people noticing the discrepancy) and are using rp and a dislike of being voted for to justify voting for me?]]

“But ironically, it’s weird and (more importantly) uncoordinated enough that I think you’re probably an innocent person I don’t like and not Mafia. Which sucks for me, because I also trust Froggy and Buisel Evo Guy.”

“I guess now that it’s been pointed out to me, I don’t love Metalcrab’s total non-contributions. That totally slipped under my radar but thinking about it is giving me a sense of deja vu. Tangentially, I don’t think I could read Lava Homunculus’ guardian either way. But I like them enough to join that vote.” [[Free seems town to me but when we were scum together in lover hell mafia I thought she sounded super impressively town to me so I don’t know if I trust my ability to vibe check.]]

“I don’t know if I have a right play here? I don’t want to keep aiming at Stringbean even if it’s in my personal survival best interests, I look like I’m nicking someone else’s idea if I chase after the crab, and I look inconsistent if I abstain. Probably, my best move would be to shut up and avoid making things worse for myself. But I’ve never been good at that.”

Then, the balance tipped on the conflict between the part of her that wanted to poke people and see how they reacted, and her better nature.

“Fuck it, I got what I wanted out of you, and there’s no one else I’m keen to kill right now. I’ll vote to hold back for now, but the crustacean’s on thin ice. If we don’t have any better ideas tomorrow...” She paused to shoot a pointed glare at the one who’d attacked Kimiko. “Well, then maybe we’ll get to have that fight after all~”

Vote: Abstain @Sinderella

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

Matthias raised a brow and gave Baraz a series of slow claps. "Oh, now this is interesting. How bold! Isn't that claim sort of a... projective test? The 'best' role is surely something subjective. I could guess at what role the Floatzel thinks best, but who knows? I look forward to finding out!"

"Hmm, I'll have to agree with my friend, Matthias. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all." Wallace let his gaze linger on Matthias for what could be perceived as a bit too long, but he quickly turned his attention to the center of attention; the boastful Floatzel.

"Another water enjoyer, I see. Quite the claim, as 'best' is merely what you make it. I raise you that any true artist knows how to work with what they're given, and I intend to do just that. I look forward to discovering if your role has the panache you say."


[[I'm always tripped up on why it's suspicious for players to try to figure out the vaguities of what people are saying. Is it better to keep your guesses as to what they mean to yourself, then? But then if you do, it doesn't help other players who are trying to sort out what's being said. Like right now, I'm actually really baffled b/c I swear Morgan's:

“Well, that’s not Pact Killer. Goddamnit. Does that means everyone’s invitation told them they could kill people? I can’t believe Satan would commit false advertising.”

Was a hint that she *had* a killing power, but was not Scum. (Knowing the possible roles, Town or Third Party killing powers are definitely in play)

But Jackie's chart shows this in the notes:

[Shiny Phantump] Claims not to have a kill power.

Which is the total *opposite* of what I read in Morgan's quote.

So if I stay quiet and stay confused to avoid suspicion, is that helping anyone? (which, I am confused here actually tho, help)

My point is, day talk is Town's only chance to figure out what's going on. Getting side-eye at people who are trying to sort things out is counter productive. It's the people who are saying things and not being helpful that should get the most side-eye. (What to do about people who don't say anything at all? Well, we at least have mod rules in place to handle that.)

Trying to catch up here, but I do disagree with Phantump's assessment on Persephone not being helpful. Noci at least has made a claim they don't have a killing role of any kind (even if that's the easiest kind of innocence claim out there.) Does it mean anything in terms of actually proving innocence? No lol but at least it's gameplay oriented.

I tend to be a Day1 abstainer, if only because I find it easier to catch players once something happens in the night. Of course I have expressed this and then *nothing* happened at night b/c of powers and we're right back at square one again lol. With the current number of inactives being removed from the game tonight, I'd be very leery of voting someone out today, too. That's a lot of numbers gone in the first day with nothing to go on... If we get more activity from players who are on that mod-chopping block, I'll reassess then.]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[hecc forgot to mention in here, I put in the Discord, but I won't be around for EOD with another committment.]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

Going to put town Dragonfree as well, with actually higher conviction than Chibi Pika. While she's experienced and possibly can fake mafia pov

Free seems town to me but when we were scum together in lover hell mafia I thought she sounded super impressively town to me so I don’t know if I trust my ability to vibe check

Baraz leered at Grovyle. “If the boy Gabriel were an enemy, you would not know. None of us would, not until it was too late.

His instincts were telling him this strongly. Gabriel’s guardian could not be read from things like logic, or reasoning, or vibes, not even from attempts to solve the mystery. Enemy or not, the guardian would be helpful, and say useful things, and clarify unclear points. The only thing that would truly shed any light would be seeing how the votes fell, as votes could not lie.

(Though he wouldn’t say no to someone spying on the boy in the night, if they were so inclined to do so. If the boy could be proven an ally, he would surely be a powerful one.)

 

[Persephone]

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Baraz leered at Grovyle. “If the boy Gabriel were an enemy, you would not know. None of us would, not until it was too late.

His instincts were telling him this strongly. Gabriel’s guardian could not be read from things like logic, or reasoning, or vibes, not even from attempts to solve the mystery. Enemy or not, the guardian would be helpful, and say useful things, and clarify unclear points. The only thing that would truly shed any light would be seeing how the votes fell, as votes could not lie.

(Though he wouldn’t say no to someone spying on the boy in the night, if they were so inclined to do so. If the boy could be proven an ally, he would surely be a powerful one.)

[An undetectable enemy would pose a great risk. Gabriel is a high priority target for elimination.]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

Was a hint that she *had* a killing power, but was not Scum. (Knowing the possible roles, Town or Third Party killing powers are definitely in play)

But Jackie's chart shows this in the notes:
Which is the total *opposite* of what I read in Morgan's quote.

[[Again, that was putting to rest a joke from the RP Only day where Morgan thought the invitation everyone got was telling her she was gonna be the mafia killing role that games without the standard factional kill system have used. (For those who’ve never been in those game, it was basically a Mafia Vigilante and every other Mafia player was a backup in a specified order)

That system and role is not in this game and nobody would claim Mafia Killer anyway. There is zero meaningful information intended to be implied there. I would have just silently ignored/not followed through on that joke once D1 started, if I realized people were gonna be that confused by it.]]

 

[Chibi Pika]

“I don’t know if I have a right play here? I don’t want to keep aiming at Stringbean even if it’s in my personal survival best interests, I look like I’m nicking someone else’s idea if I chase after the crab, and I look inconsistent if I abstain. Probably, my best move would be to shut up and avoid making things worse for myself. But I’ve never been good at that.”

Baraz could not help tilting his head. Everything Morgan had said seemed correct, he could not argue against it. What he found strange was the preoccupation with how a vote would look, rather than what it would achieve. The only ones who had any reason to care how their votes looked were the enemy.

However, his instincts were telling him that Morgan’s guardian had been an enemy so many times that surely the streak had to break eventually, right? He was unaware of the gambler’s fallacy.

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[Again, that was putting to rest a joke from the RP Only day where Morgan thought the invitation everyone got was telling her she was gonna be the mafia killing role that games without the standard factional kill system have used. (For those who’ve never been in those game, it was basically a Mafia Vigilante and every other Mafia player was a backup in a specified order)

That system and role is not in this game and nobody would claim Mafia Killer anyway. There is zero meaningful information intended to be implied there. I would have just silently ignored/not followed through on that joke once D1 started, if I realized people were gonna be that confused by it.]]

[[Sorry I did parse the 'Pact killer' terminology as part of the RP/joke, but not that the role info wasn't. I Historically struggle with understanding what is an in-game hint and what isn't. Thanks for clearing that up.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

Baraz could not help tilting his head. Everything Morgan had said seemed correct, he could not argue against it. What he found strange was the preoccupation with how a vote would look, rather than what it would achieve. The only ones who had any reason to care how their votes looked were the enemy.

However, his instincts were telling him that Morgan’s guardian had been an enemy so many times that surely the streak had to break eventually, right? He was unaware of the gambler’s fallacy.

[[This made me laugh aloud. Anyway: I've died repeatedly when, despite being scum, I was trying to act the same way I would as town. I was worried that'd happen again even if I'm not faking it, and it seems so far that that wasn't entirely unjustified? I don't necessarily think it's too weird for me to be worried about how I'll look given I don't want to die-- It would remove me from the town headcount and waste a day vote.

I realized I didn't have any options that weren't gonna smell weird, so I pointed that out just so that people would, hopefully, keep in mind that none of my pivot options would look normal and hopefully keep that in mind instead of immediately pointing out that, whoops, I put myself in a position where I don't have any options that look clean. And maybe not kill me, hopefully.]]

Something clicked with Morgan, and she crossed two of her arms like tendrils. "Hey, wait, what the fuck? My guardian has been on the fun team every single other game they've played? But not this one? Fuck that noise."

[[^ the above is a joke I do not expect anyone to take it too seriously]]

 

[Seren]

Spoiler: More pure RP fun in spoilers so as to not disrupt the game or make this post longer than it needs to be

That violent look morphed into a grin, and she promptly bum rushed the girl, Tigger tackling Winnie-the-Pooh style. Except, before they hit the blood, Kimiko's body stopped. She was now hovering mid-air with the literal devil on top of her. Lucky girl.

"Kimi it is. I've been better, but some woman had the audacity to comment on my decorating skills, and I'd happily promote her to a missing person if I didn't like her."

"And you? Game treating you well?"

Being charged and tackled was not what Kimiko expected, although perhaps in hindsight, she should have. The position was... awkward, but she appreciated not being pushed a third time into the blood-water, even if it did come off neatly. (The trade-off was, there she was, floating again...)

"Close enough," she said, mildly nervously, the position and the vague threat fresh cuts, but she had to take a minute to remind herself that this was just how Odile spoke. "I'd be happy to offer you some pointers for your next sign."

As the righted themselves, Kimiko once again shot a glance at the metagross. "So far, so good," she said, with a shake of the hand.

this is a flavorful way of me saying that I don't get D1 kills especially in a role madness game, but I am sure folks will disagree vehemently and we'll do the same song and dance. I don't relish the idea of throwing completely blind.

[[Having played a number of games on Thousand Roads, the Mafia are invariably active while absent players most commonly flip Town, or on one occasion, Third Party. I'm not making the mistake again of killing them off first, let alone when Sind/Odile will do it for us!]]

[[Little OOC to spew my usual; I'm with Tetra, I've never liked voting D1 both from a lack of solid information and for a general sense of 'let players do something at least once before they're eliminated' because it sucks to get hyped for a game only to die before you do anything, although I do understand why some feel it necessary. It really is the only way to attempt to glean any information about anyone at this point, but it's also why such gleans are unreliable at best. We trace this circle every game; my stance has not changed, I will die on this hill, etc. etc.

Jackie, too, makes a good point; inactive players aren't much of an issue purely due to modkills/replacements, but assuming they are town, which as said is the more likely outcome, they still count for town's numbers until EoD, so voting them out is a waste of a vote; it offers no opportunity for a replacement townie to be found, while more often than not actively hurting town's numbers. (And thank you Jackie for the charts, I forgot about that, very helpful!).

Along the lines of inactivity, allow me to remind that I struggle to keep up while on my breaks at work, so most of my catch-up and reply comes after my shift ends, which is after most people are offline for the night. I do try to make my posts there with as much relevant information as I can to make up for it, so my mid-day absences shouldn't be taken as inactivity. (People who've suffered me in the past know this.) EoD happens roughly two hours before I get home, but I will of course attempt to make an informed decision beforehand when necessary.

With all of that said... my only scum-read right now is on Nocitlālin, purely for RP reasons and nothing more, which is why I'm not going to officially vote them. I'm sightly leaning town on Chibi, because there's the joke/history of them always dying N1, and in that light, I feel some kind of way about that 'best role' statement drawing attention to themselves, regardless of it being made seriously or in RP flavor, that I've struggled to put into words for the last 20 minutes and I must go to work.]]

Just as a quick heads up to yiran - I don’t think most players here frequent dedicated mafia spaces much, so not everyone is familiar with jargon like OMGUS, +EV, >rand wolf, etc.!

[[I too am unfamiliar with most of the jargon, since our community is about as casual as Mafia can get, lol. Thank you for the explanation!

Would like to point out that historically Free also tends to be very helpful to town for reasons exactly like this; which also makes her very dangerous scum, but no one's really given anything substantial here, but experienced reads are just as valuable as roles, so do we want to risk voting off that potential asset on D1? Maybe I'm biased in favor of having experienced guidance, lol.]]