kintsugi
golden scars | pfp by sun
Hi again! Long story short, I was unsure how to resolve "do I re-review the new chapter one since it's somewhat different from the last one I read", so I ended up reading through to chapter seven instead. lol. I had some prose notes at the end for grammar and such, but they're a little truncated. In general I think the prose is a lot stronger this time around though! bit of an unorthodox format up ahead; it's been a while since I've done bulk-reviews.
plot
The broad strokes of this one are a lot of fun. I think you do a good job of escalating the tension and throwing Maressa into situations where she's still capable of doing things, but her exact skillsets still put her at a disadvantage. She feels competent at a realistic amount of things (battling in particular is a strong suit, diving, general analysis), but then she quickly gets put in areas where those skills can't help her directly and she has to figure out how she wants to work around that. I thought the tension built pretty smoothly in that regard, and in particular I like how you set up these challenges for her to face that feel realistically difficult for her without feeling cheap.
There are neat little hints for some other scary things--weird ruins with ancient text? Aqua seeking out revitalization serum, definitely not to revitalize a super old and ancient pokemon that definitely isn't Kyogre? These all seem super promising and bad things aren't going to happen to anyone, everyone is totally in the right here and we can just chat it out without bad things happening,,, yes, definitely.
And as a setup this is a fun way to explore both Aqua and Magma pretty well--have a character start with one, get captured by the other, and then vacillate between them. It's been a hot sec since I've touched actual canon RSE/ORAS so I appreciate the depth that you give them in this, and the glimpses we get into the extents to which they're willing to fulfill their goal. One thing I wish we understood better is why they're actually fighting in the first place--is it only the conflict over whether or not creating more land or more water that's really driving them? There seems to be some really deep-rooted prejudice in both groups for the other; Maressa's definitely convinced that Magma is full of bloodthirsty murderers (and even uses the phrase "the people who want to destroy Team Aqua"--it's like that's their only goal in her eyes), and Derek's all "I'm not going to bother explaining myself to an Aqua" and Tabitha is on board with the idea of torturing Maressa for information (even though they all seem to know by now that she actually has no clue what Aqua is doing and can barely answer what she was doing for them or why she thought it was cool). I'm deeply curious to see what spurns this level of dehumanization across both sides, and how it develops so quickly--Maressa seemed to join Aqua pretty quickly after being introduced to them, and by now she's basically convinced that they eat babies and shit. It's a topic that I find increasingly relevant irl so it's fun to see in fiction--how someone can get pushed to that level of extremism (and maybe what convinces them to start walking back).
world
I think this is the one area that I wish we got to see a bit more of--the tail end of the Magma bit, especially Tabitha's arguments to sway her, really seem to be picking at Maressa's perceived understanding of how Hoenn treats pokemon, the environment, etc. I think this one boiled down into a few subgroups of desired information here: how the Hoenn government functions, the tangible effects of climate change (if any), and how Hoenn treats pokemon in general. These are all problems that Maressa wrestles with, both in her time with Aqua and Magma, and she doesn't necessarily have to come away with all of the answers here, but I don't really have a concrete understanding of what she actually thinks is going on in these categories (whether she's correct or not).
Hoenn's government - a big portion of Tabitha's argument hinges on the idea that the Hoenn government is exaggerating climate change as a wedge issue in order to try to control and manipulate the public into voluntarily giving up their freedoms. And Maressa sort of nods and goes along with it, but I wanted a bit more of an explanation there on why she's so on-board. Does she think this is a unique issue to Hoenn, or is it that all of the governments are colluding? What freedoms would they actually be trying to convince people to give up? We don't really get to see much of Maressa's understanding of what the government was prior to this realization, how it impacted her life, if there's any substance to Tabitha's claims--the bulk of the early section is spent specifically avoiding talking to anyone from mainland Hoenn, so these questions don't really get set up in a way for Tabitha to answer them in a satisfying way. Coming from a country where prominent members of my government *don't* believe in climate change, and one in which a lot of the people who were paying to cover up the facts were those who were profiting from hiding the harms climate change from the general public--this does feel like Hoenn is in a very uniquely different situation than the one I've grown up in, and as such I wish we got a little more grounding.
(And maybe the point is that Tabitha is off the rails and this also isn't the correct way to approach things--RSE did seem to have a theme of warning against disrupting balance/taking too far to one extreme. But I'm kind of blanking on how he's managed to convince both Derek and Maressa that his actions are generally the correct ones--here he mostly just pulls out some papers and is like "but what if the government were evil" and Maressa is like "shit u rite")
Tangible effect of climate change/environmental harm - this ties in to the government questions above, but I really struggled to pin down what about Tabitha's argument was convincing to Maressa, as well as what drove her to ocean conservation in the first place. There were some comments she made earlier about nuclear power that really cemented this for me--I imagine Hoenn would have different ways of handling energy; the presence of pokemon could very well mean that clean nuclear power is both immediately achievable and completely safe under Hoenn's technology. Again, it felt like a real world argument that didn't quite scale to the pokemon world without further explanation. Hoenn has pokeballs, for example, so their grasp on technology does feel significantly different from our own--if they developed a technological way to violate conservation of mass, then it follows that a lot of their energy sources and problems would also be different, and I struggled to understand what about nuclear power in Hoenn would be controversial (especially in comparison to like, the risk of a pokemon battle accidentally leveling a city block). Would a world with bountiful electric- and fire-types even develop such a significant fossil fuel reliance as our world did? Would they face the same types of threats to their oceans as a result?
This is one that I think Maressa could explain a bit better, since this issue is squarely in her wheelhouse and what interests her! She joined Aqua to protect the oceans, but as she continued to dig herself deeper into this hole, I couldn't help but wonder what she's actually protecting the oceans from. What kinds of threats are big enough for you to no-contact your family for nine months and join a group that you know is committing acts of terror? These are things I wish we got to see confronted in the narrative; when Maressa brings them up they're largely in passing and don't feel very serious--is the point that she's overreacting, and the environmental issues aren't actually there? That neither Aqua nor Magma are interested in engaging with them in a serious way, and are instead using them as a front to solidify terror and control? The fic seems to be setting things up at least slightly towards the latter, which is an interesting angle to take things, but I still found myself wanting some explanation for what Maressa at least thinks is the problem here, and what aspects of the world she's fighting to change/improve.
And likewise, with Derek/Tabitha--the goal to expand the land in order to make more space for humans/pokemon makes sense if there's an established overpopulation issue/if there aren't currently enough land resources to sustain everyone. But from the glimpses that we've seen of the cities, those issues aren't really well-established, so it's hard to follow what exactly is motivating Magma to take such extreme stances in order to pursue this land goal.
Hoenn's treatment of pokemon - they seem pretty smart in this one, but there's also a few mentions of how there are publicized drugging scandals and in general they get treated as tools a lot. Is Maressa breaking the norm for naively trying to teach her pokemon calculus, or are pokemon intelligent enough to understand advanced mathematics? Derek mentions that his Claydol can identify medical equipment with enough accuracy that he's like, willing to trust Claydol when someone's life is on the line, so they definitely seem on the high-end of animal intelligence at the very least. And Maressa attributes (whether correct or not) complex emotions to Golduck such as guilt & taking blame--so at least to her they seem to have high emotional intelligence as well.
But we only see pokemon as they're treated in the context of Aqua/Magma, so presumably things are a lot harsher than might be on the mainland, but the fights here seem pretty brutal. There was one bit in particular in the Mt. Chimney fight where Shelly's walrein uses Sheer Cold on a mightyena and it sounds really brutal, or later Tabitha's mightyena emerges from the fight covered in blood--but Maressa doesn't really seem concerned in either case--is the frozen mightyena going to survive? whose blood is Tabitha's mightyena wearing?? So her concern for pal Golduck feels weird to me since she basically is treating him like a friend (suggesting that pokemon are friendly status) but she also goes around blitzing a ton of mook pokemon without regard for their bodily safety (suggesting that they're basically just cannon fodder). And Tabitha does the same, firing a hyper beam point blank at Golduck and then only later being surprised pikachu face that this could maybe cause Golduck harm and being sympathetic to Maressa's concern for almost losing a friend here--do they not realize what they're doing in the moment? Tabitha tries to cheer her up over Golduck by mentioning that once he accidentally had Mightyena fight an entire battle while sweating toxins, and it's framed as like "oops, mistakes happen"--but I'm struggling to understand if this is actually an accurate assessment of what it would feel like to put your friend through immense life-threatening pain and danger with side effects that leave him injured for at least three weeks (from poisoning!!), and if it's really okay to write that off. Maressa shooting down birds in an ocean battle as a strategy--is she concerned that some of them might drown in the chaos? Would she hesitate to command shooting a bunch of humans into the water as well for fear of collateral? I struggled to put my finger on how valued pokemon are in this setting, both for Hoenn in general and specifically as how Maressa sees it.
Some of the story suggests that Maressa is actually kinder than the average trainer--she lets Golduck out of his pokeball as a default, for example, and everyone is surprised at that (although she can't do the same for her other pokemon, because feesh). But then she'll do things that still throw me--there's one joke to Goldurk early on that was like "battling is all you're good for!" and then she brushes it off as a joke--but this does feel like a cruel remark to make in both 1) the context of a larger Hoenn where it seems like a lot of people hold this view unironically and 2) in a meta context where the bulk of Golduck's role in these early chapters has been the one Tabitha battle. Specifically with the second one, Maressa only thinks of Golduck twice once the aftermath of that battle is cleared up--once is when she mentions he doesn't like calculus, and the other is when Tabitha brings up the battle again--so it kind of does seem like she mostly thinks of him only in the context of battling and its aftermath, and the joke falls flat as a result.
Unsure--for me the big gaps here were the guilt/friendship that Maressa feels towards her own pokemon specifically (and some of the ones that are nice to her, like sweetheart Breloom friend), but then the general lack of concern for them when they're actually involved in firefights. Golduck getting horribly injured in the first battle also sets up that pokemon aren't particularly indestructible, so they are in a fair amount of danger here, and Maressa is pretty chill inflicting that damage on others as long as it stops them from badly injuring her pokemon first--like yeah, she isn't drugging Golduck, but she is drying him out on a volcano and getting him hyper beamed in the face, and she is shooting flying-types down while also knowing they'll probably drown if their wings get wet--so it's a bit hard to place if she's more or less harsh than the rest of Hoenn on this front, or if they're just operating on different scales.
world, pt 2
idk this old section got long and I did mention at the top that I have no idea how to format this
On a micro-level I really liked the attention to detail about ships, submarine, diving, marine life, etc. The underwater passages especially are the ones where Maressa seems to be having the most fun with her environment, so the prose really comes to life here. I also really liked the casual details and expertise she gives about diving, how she's prepared to keep breathing when a wave washes over her, swapping for her regulator, ditching her dive tank when the gasket breaks, etc--I haven't dived before so this is with a grain (or ocean) of salt, but these all felt realistic and immersive to me!
characters
Surprisingly for a fic that's about eco-terrorists blowing each other up, there's a lot of character work being juggled here. Maressa is a good viewpoint character for this, since being new to Aqua lets her sort of buy-in to these ideals without being too deeply invested that it's impossible for her to back out.
Maressa's answers are muddled to me, a little. I wanted to know what she saw in this "end" that made it all worth it, what she's willing to put so much on the line for. In a lot of senses I get the idea that she wasn't actually prepared to risk a lot, and when Tabitha confronts her with the fact that she might personally suffer she's quick to back down--further cemented when she decides to just yeet from Magma/Aqua altogether and the only thing that's really holding her back is that she can't get to her pokemon. By the end of this section it really seems like what she's had to do ultimately hasn't been worth it, so I guess my one remaining question was what she actually was hoping to achieve with Aqua, and how that illusion gradually faded for her.
Maressa's relationship with Aqua is pretty fraught, and unpicking that seems to be the main drive of this first arc so far? Originally she seems to understand that they're doing illegal shit, so I thought she was on board with it
Maressa also changes her mind frequently in these chapters--makes sense; she's young, a bit naive, and very trusting, so that's all a huge recipe for constantly swinging her moral compass all over the place. One of the things that I think is most interesting about walking through characters changing their minds is actually getting them there--what might convince one person probably wouldn't convince everyone, for example. Maressa's pretty easy to convince and bully over though, and a lot of her conversations boil down to someone saying "just think about it" and then pieces click into place and she sort of does just believe them?
And like at some point I'm imagining the conspiracy theory wall man just shouting "think about it" at her--because ultimately that last line is the question I really want the answer too--what does she think? Imo the tricky part about coaxing a character through a change of heart is that it isn't satisfying to just get them to throw their old idea in the garbage (although you have to do that as well). When they start using these conversations as points to do big dramatic gestures like jumping off of boats or launching a sharpedo directly towards enemy fire, I find myself asking what they're believing in that spurns them to this.
One of the interesting things I noticed in a lot of Maressa's thought processes above is that she's mostly just getting by on refuting her previous beliefs. She thinks that Aqua shouldn't be doing a thing; someone tells her not to think that, and she goes with it. She thinks that humans are messing up the oceans; Tabitha tells her it's a lie to facilitate government takeovers and she goes with it. It's this particular flavor of argument that's less about putting forward an idea and more about destroying something else--which makes it weird when Maressa starts throwing around ideas like "belief" and "sense" and "truth"--what is she actually believing in? What truths are actually being refuted, and what is she accepting as truth instead?
The bit where Tabitha shows her about all the climate change research paper fraud was particularly interesting because of how trusting she is about it and how willing she is to just dump her worldview in favor of a tiny sample size of evidence (something that even the most open-minded individuals really struggle to do lol). One line in particular that struck me was that she was pleased to see a paper published by her own university (which is totally fair; appeal to authority is a very common logical fallacy that we all fall for), but like, these are printed papers and she has no way of verifying any of them. She already thinks Tabitha is this scummy person and Magma is full of liars and cheats; what would stop him from (in her head) just typing up some random bullshit that backed his point and putting her university's name at the top of it? Why does she even think the papers are real? Like I have MS Word and photoshop; I could put together a convincing rejected research paper proving that Tabitha's poop is full of glitter, but I wonder how many times I'd have to show that to him for him to actually believe it.
And it's tricky, right--Aqua's a great example of a cult isolating its members and feeding them a lot of information and cutting them off from the outside world in order to radicalize its members, and this would make for a really good character study for it. And you don't necessarily have to convince your readers that humans aren't responsible for climate change or that every national government is involved in a big fraud to make people ride bikes--but you do need to present a logical through-line for how Maressa gets convinced there. So far I get the idea that she really struggles to form independent opinions and mostly relies on other people to tell her what to believe in:
Or! Less extreme example:
I guess the main takeaway for me here was--for someone who's so interested in questioning everything, think about it, find the facts--Maressa doesn't really do any of that, and a lot of her worldview is just formed by whoever is currently talking to her and telling her that her old ways were lie. Soft stances is definitely a thing, especially in young adults, and I can see why for the story it wouldn't be beneficial for her to be a die-hard eco-terrorist right off the bat, but it does leave me with a lot of questions about her agency and choices as a protagonist when I can't actually understand what she's fighting for.
Derek's a fun side character and gives a little bit of sanity to the whole Magma situation. The idea that student loans are just so shitty in this universe that people are joining illegal organizations and committing acts of terror including plugging an entire volcano--I am tickled but also deeply sad lol. Those interest rates must really be something. I like his conversation with Maressa and it does a great job of giving us a friendly face for Maressa to open up to a little, which is much-needed especially with the questions of motive/desires above.
Tabitha is a fun character to pick up after TBB as well. Definitely did not get the vibe that he was going to be conspiracy walling up in this, and I'm curious what Maressa will see once she (presumably) washes back ashore on mainland Hoenn, and if Tabitha's actually correct about his theory that this is all a lie for the masses.
misc
tbh I don't even know with section headers at this point
line edits, more or less, in the spoiler. I definitely pulled fewer quotes as I read further/got more into things:
Plus like, does Magma frequently dive? What for? Why else would they have a decompression chamber?
tl;dr
I did have a fun time reading this--apologies if tmi; my fic love language appears to be writing long questioning thoughts about fic worldbuilding and character establishment. I think the reimagining of the Aqua/Magma conflict is pretty fresh and well-executed here, and your cast is well-managed + they get into some really nice, tense scenes together. Morally ambiguous protagonists are also a lot of fun, and especially now it's still interesting to see different ways that you can walk a character down a crazy path and then get them to question the steps that got them there. Definitely some drowning up ahead, if only the metaphorical kind, and a fun read so far.
plot
The broad strokes of this one are a lot of fun. I think you do a good job of escalating the tension and throwing Maressa into situations where she's still capable of doing things, but her exact skillsets still put her at a disadvantage. She feels competent at a realistic amount of things (battling in particular is a strong suit, diving, general analysis), but then she quickly gets put in areas where those skills can't help her directly and she has to figure out how she wants to work around that. I thought the tension built pretty smoothly in that regard, and in particular I like how you set up these challenges for her to face that feel realistically difficult for her without feeling cheap.
There are neat little hints for some other scary things--weird ruins with ancient text? Aqua seeking out revitalization serum, definitely not to revitalize a super old and ancient pokemon that definitely isn't Kyogre? These all seem super promising and bad things aren't going to happen to anyone, everyone is totally in the right here and we can just chat it out without bad things happening,,, yes, definitely.
And as a setup this is a fun way to explore both Aqua and Magma pretty well--have a character start with one, get captured by the other, and then vacillate between them. It's been a hot sec since I've touched actual canon RSE/ORAS so I appreciate the depth that you give them in this, and the glimpses we get into the extents to which they're willing to fulfill their goal. One thing I wish we understood better is why they're actually fighting in the first place--is it only the conflict over whether or not creating more land or more water that's really driving them? There seems to be some really deep-rooted prejudice in both groups for the other; Maressa's definitely convinced that Magma is full of bloodthirsty murderers (and even uses the phrase "the people who want to destroy Team Aqua"--it's like that's their only goal in her eyes), and Derek's all "I'm not going to bother explaining myself to an Aqua" and Tabitha is on board with the idea of torturing Maressa for information (even though they all seem to know by now that she actually has no clue what Aqua is doing and can barely answer what she was doing for them or why she thought it was cool). I'm deeply curious to see what spurns this level of dehumanization across both sides, and how it develops so quickly--Maressa seemed to join Aqua pretty quickly after being introduced to them, and by now she's basically convinced that they eat babies and shit. It's a topic that I find increasingly relevant irl so it's fun to see in fiction--how someone can get pushed to that level of extremism (and maybe what convinces them to start walking back).
world
I think this is the one area that I wish we got to see a bit more of--the tail end of the Magma bit, especially Tabitha's arguments to sway her, really seem to be picking at Maressa's perceived understanding of how Hoenn treats pokemon, the environment, etc. I think this one boiled down into a few subgroups of desired information here: how the Hoenn government functions, the tangible effects of climate change (if any), and how Hoenn treats pokemon in general. These are all problems that Maressa wrestles with, both in her time with Aqua and Magma, and she doesn't necessarily have to come away with all of the answers here, but I don't really have a concrete understanding of what she actually thinks is going on in these categories (whether she's correct or not).
Hoenn's government - a big portion of Tabitha's argument hinges on the idea that the Hoenn government is exaggerating climate change as a wedge issue in order to try to control and manipulate the public into voluntarily giving up their freedoms. And Maressa sort of nods and goes along with it, but I wanted a bit more of an explanation there on why she's so on-board. Does she think this is a unique issue to Hoenn, or is it that all of the governments are colluding? What freedoms would they actually be trying to convince people to give up? We don't really get to see much of Maressa's understanding of what the government was prior to this realization, how it impacted her life, if there's any substance to Tabitha's claims--the bulk of the early section is spent specifically avoiding talking to anyone from mainland Hoenn, so these questions don't really get set up in a way for Tabitha to answer them in a satisfying way. Coming from a country where prominent members of my government *don't* believe in climate change, and one in which a lot of the people who were paying to cover up the facts were those who were profiting from hiding the harms climate change from the general public--this does feel like Hoenn is in a very uniquely different situation than the one I've grown up in, and as such I wish we got a little more grounding.
(And maybe the point is that Tabitha is off the rails and this also isn't the correct way to approach things--RSE did seem to have a theme of warning against disrupting balance/taking too far to one extreme. But I'm kind of blanking on how he's managed to convince both Derek and Maressa that his actions are generally the correct ones--here he mostly just pulls out some papers and is like "but what if the government were evil" and Maressa is like "shit u rite")
Tangible effect of climate change/environmental harm - this ties in to the government questions above, but I really struggled to pin down what about Tabitha's argument was convincing to Maressa, as well as what drove her to ocean conservation in the first place. There were some comments she made earlier about nuclear power that really cemented this for me--I imagine Hoenn would have different ways of handling energy; the presence of pokemon could very well mean that clean nuclear power is both immediately achievable and completely safe under Hoenn's technology. Again, it felt like a real world argument that didn't quite scale to the pokemon world without further explanation. Hoenn has pokeballs, for example, so their grasp on technology does feel significantly different from our own--if they developed a technological way to violate conservation of mass, then it follows that a lot of their energy sources and problems would also be different, and I struggled to understand what about nuclear power in Hoenn would be controversial (especially in comparison to like, the risk of a pokemon battle accidentally leveling a city block). Would a world with bountiful electric- and fire-types even develop such a significant fossil fuel reliance as our world did? Would they face the same types of threats to their oceans as a result?
This is one that I think Maressa could explain a bit better, since this issue is squarely in her wheelhouse and what interests her! She joined Aqua to protect the oceans, but as she continued to dig herself deeper into this hole, I couldn't help but wonder what she's actually protecting the oceans from. What kinds of threats are big enough for you to no-contact your family for nine months and join a group that you know is committing acts of terror? These are things I wish we got to see confronted in the narrative; when Maressa brings them up they're largely in passing and don't feel very serious--is the point that she's overreacting, and the environmental issues aren't actually there? That neither Aqua nor Magma are interested in engaging with them in a serious way, and are instead using them as a front to solidify terror and control? The fic seems to be setting things up at least slightly towards the latter, which is an interesting angle to take things, but I still found myself wanting some explanation for what Maressa at least thinks is the problem here, and what aspects of the world she's fighting to change/improve.
And likewise, with Derek/Tabitha--the goal to expand the land in order to make more space for humans/pokemon makes sense if there's an established overpopulation issue/if there aren't currently enough land resources to sustain everyone. But from the glimpses that we've seen of the cities, those issues aren't really well-established, so it's hard to follow what exactly is motivating Magma to take such extreme stances in order to pursue this land goal.
Hoenn's treatment of pokemon - they seem pretty smart in this one, but there's also a few mentions of how there are publicized drugging scandals and in general they get treated as tools a lot. Is Maressa breaking the norm for naively trying to teach her pokemon calculus, or are pokemon intelligent enough to understand advanced mathematics? Derek mentions that his Claydol can identify medical equipment with enough accuracy that he's like, willing to trust Claydol when someone's life is on the line, so they definitely seem on the high-end of animal intelligence at the very least. And Maressa attributes (whether correct or not) complex emotions to Golduck such as guilt & taking blame--so at least to her they seem to have high emotional intelligence as well.
But we only see pokemon as they're treated in the context of Aqua/Magma, so presumably things are a lot harsher than might be on the mainland, but the fights here seem pretty brutal. There was one bit in particular in the Mt. Chimney fight where Shelly's walrein uses Sheer Cold on a mightyena and it sounds really brutal, or later Tabitha's mightyena emerges from the fight covered in blood--but Maressa doesn't really seem concerned in either case--is the frozen mightyena going to survive? whose blood is Tabitha's mightyena wearing?? So her concern for pal Golduck feels weird to me since she basically is treating him like a friend (suggesting that pokemon are friendly status) but she also goes around blitzing a ton of mook pokemon without regard for their bodily safety (suggesting that they're basically just cannon fodder). And Tabitha does the same, firing a hyper beam point blank at Golduck and then only later being surprised pikachu face that this could maybe cause Golduck harm and being sympathetic to Maressa's concern for almost losing a friend here--do they not realize what they're doing in the moment? Tabitha tries to cheer her up over Golduck by mentioning that once he accidentally had Mightyena fight an entire battle while sweating toxins, and it's framed as like "oops, mistakes happen"--but I'm struggling to understand if this is actually an accurate assessment of what it would feel like to put your friend through immense life-threatening pain and danger with side effects that leave him injured for at least three weeks (from poisoning!!), and if it's really okay to write that off. Maressa shooting down birds in an ocean battle as a strategy--is she concerned that some of them might drown in the chaos? Would she hesitate to command shooting a bunch of humans into the water as well for fear of collateral? I struggled to put my finger on how valued pokemon are in this setting, both for Hoenn in general and specifically as how Maressa sees it.
Some of the story suggests that Maressa is actually kinder than the average trainer--she lets Golduck out of his pokeball as a default, for example, and everyone is surprised at that (although she can't do the same for her other pokemon, because feesh). But then she'll do things that still throw me--there's one joke to Goldurk early on that was like "battling is all you're good for!" and then she brushes it off as a joke--but this does feel like a cruel remark to make in both 1) the context of a larger Hoenn where it seems like a lot of people hold this view unironically and 2) in a meta context where the bulk of Golduck's role in these early chapters has been the one Tabitha battle. Specifically with the second one, Maressa only thinks of Golduck twice once the aftermath of that battle is cleared up--once is when she mentions he doesn't like calculus, and the other is when Tabitha brings up the battle again--so it kind of does seem like she mostly thinks of him only in the context of battling and its aftermath, and the joke falls flat as a result.
Because this story is in close-third to Maressa, I thought this was really interesting--it read less of a head hop (where it's concretely Golduck's thoughts and reassurances) and more as what Maressa assumes he's saying. It's convenient for her that he's not blaming her (and it makes sense that that's what Maressa would want to believe), although I think it sort of dilutes the actual conflict/guilt that follows if he actually thinks this.He opened his eyes wide—he didn’t often hear Maressa say something so sappy. He held her hand and quacked. He didn’t blame her for his injuries—someone had to fight this battle, and he was happy to do it. He would do it for her.
Derek does a similar leap here--and it sure is convenient for him that he's also correct, but I do think it undercuts this scene to set up "but what if they don't agree" followed by 1) deciding their agreement or not doesn't matter and 2) they won't be long-term mad at me anyway. But also, being afraid that pokemon can process concepts like guilt, blame, moral choices--this suggests really high emotional intelligence, to the point that Derek is basically using these guys as his own moral compass--hard to fit this in with a world that also consistently mentions drugging them and using them as tools.It doesn’t matter, he told himself. They wouldn’t have to agree with his decision; after all, they were still his closest friends. He knew they wouldn’t be too angry or label him a traitor for choosing to set Maressa free.
Unsure--for me the big gaps here were the guilt/friendship that Maressa feels towards her own pokemon specifically (and some of the ones that are nice to her, like sweetheart Breloom friend), but then the general lack of concern for them when they're actually involved in firefights. Golduck getting horribly injured in the first battle also sets up that pokemon aren't particularly indestructible, so they are in a fair amount of danger here, and Maressa is pretty chill inflicting that damage on others as long as it stops them from badly injuring her pokemon first--like yeah, she isn't drugging Golduck, but she is drying him out on a volcano and getting him hyper beamed in the face, and she is shooting flying-types down while also knowing they'll probably drown if their wings get wet--so it's a bit hard to place if she's more or less harsh than the rest of Hoenn on this front, or if they're just operating on different scales.
world, pt 2
idk this old section got long and I did mention at the top that I have no idea how to format this
On a micro-level I really liked the attention to detail about ships, submarine, diving, marine life, etc. The underwater passages especially are the ones where Maressa seems to be having the most fun with her environment, so the prose really comes to life here. I also really liked the casual details and expertise she gives about diving, how she's prepared to keep breathing when a wave washes over her, swapping for her regulator, ditching her dive tank when the gasket breaks, etc--I haven't dived before so this is with a grain (or ocean) of salt, but these all felt realistic and immersive to me!
characters
Surprisingly for a fic that's about eco-terrorists blowing each other up, there's a lot of character work being juggled here. Maressa is a good viewpoint character for this, since being new to Aqua lets her sort of buy-in to these ideals without being too deeply invested that it's impossible for her to back out.
I thought this line was most intriguing as far as Maressa's development is concerned--a lot of her struggles so far are wrapped up in questions of cost, worth, loss, guilt, etc. Is Golduck being hurt worth it? Is her being hurt worth it? Is the world being hurt worth it? When she's with Aqua she's justifying a lot of illegal/immoral activity with arguments that what they're doing is going to have payoffs in the end, and it's what she uses to reassure herself to get through things, but now that she/her pokemon are on the line, it's beginning to look like she's losing faith. I think these questions are really interesting ones to ask, especially in a story that's largely about villains--what are you actually fighting for?This will all be worth it in the end.
Maressa's answers are muddled to me, a little. I wanted to know what she saw in this "end" that made it all worth it, what she's willing to put so much on the line for. In a lot of senses I get the idea that she wasn't actually prepared to risk a lot, and when Tabitha confronts her with the fact that she might personally suffer she's quick to back down--further cemented when she decides to just yeet from Magma/Aqua altogether and the only thing that's really holding her back is that she can't get to her pokemon. By the end of this section it really seems like what she's had to do ultimately hasn't been worth it, so I guess my one remaining question was what she actually was hoping to achieve with Aqua, and how that illusion gradually faded for her.
Maressa's relationship with Aqua is pretty fraught, and unpicking that seems to be the main drive of this first arc so far? Originally she seems to understand that they're doing illegal shit, so I thought she was on board with it
That’s not bad—we’re all Team Aqua members, and you guys know this organization isn’t legal!”
And the line between "leaving my old life for things that I know are illegal" and "life of crime" is definitely a thin one, but I really wanted to know what Maressa thought that line was, and how far away she stood from it. She mentions police tails at some point, which to me suggested some degree of understanding that her actions would be treated as criminal, but I really struggled to pin down to what extent she was aware of it if she was backtracking this hard by the end.“No, I… If this isn’t about the environment—if Team Aqua won’t actually try to save our oceans—then I can’t keep working for them. I can’t work for someone who thinks I’m disposable, who would throw my life away…” She opened her eyes. “I just want to live a normal life again. I had always known that Team Aqua was illegal—but I never thought of it as a life of crime. Not until now, at least.”
Maressa also changes her mind frequently in these chapters--makes sense; she's young, a bit naive, and very trusting, so that's all a huge recipe for constantly swinging her moral compass all over the place. One of the things that I think is most interesting about walking through characters changing their minds is actually getting them there--what might convince one person probably wouldn't convince everyone, for example. Maressa's pretty easy to convince and bully over though, and a lot of her conversations boil down to someone saying "just think about it" and then pieces click into place and she sort of does just believe them?
Think about it
Something clicked in Maressa’s brain—Mickey was right.
Puzzle pieces clicked into place as Maressa listened to Mickey. She smiled.
She trusted that there were good reasons for everything Team Aqua did; she just wished she could know what they all were.
None of this made sense!
And yet, it made perfect sense.
But in her heart, part of her believed him.
But he couldn’t do that. That would be a lie, and if she was living a lie the entire time she worked with Team Aqua then it was time for her to face the truth.
"Think about it.
None of it was true?
Well, that might not be the case—it could be true that humans directly caused main environmental decline. But... Perhaps it was possible that they did not cause decline.
She wanted to fight back, to refute what he said—but she agreed with a lot of what he said.
Maressa’s eyes dropped to her knees. What did she think?
One of the interesting things I noticed in a lot of Maressa's thought processes above is that she's mostly just getting by on refuting her previous beliefs. She thinks that Aqua shouldn't be doing a thing; someone tells her not to think that, and she goes with it. She thinks that humans are messing up the oceans; Tabitha tells her it's a lie to facilitate government takeovers and she goes with it. It's this particular flavor of argument that's less about putting forward an idea and more about destroying something else--which makes it weird when Maressa starts throwing around ideas like "belief" and "sense" and "truth"--what is she actually believing in? What truths are actually being refuted, and what is she accepting as truth instead?
The bit where Tabitha shows her about all the climate change research paper fraud was particularly interesting because of how trusting she is about it and how willing she is to just dump her worldview in favor of a tiny sample size of evidence (something that even the most open-minded individuals really struggle to do lol). One line in particular that struck me was that she was pleased to see a paper published by her own university (which is totally fair; appeal to authority is a very common logical fallacy that we all fall for), but like, these are printed papers and she has no way of verifying any of them. She already thinks Tabitha is this scummy person and Magma is full of liars and cheats; what would stop him from (in her head) just typing up some random bullshit that backed his point and putting her university's name at the top of it? Why does she even think the papers are real? Like I have MS Word and photoshop; I could put together a convincing rejected research paper proving that Tabitha's poop is full of glitter, but I wonder how many times I'd have to show that to him for him to actually believe it.
And it's tricky, right--Aqua's a great example of a cult isolating its members and feeding them a lot of information and cutting them off from the outside world in order to radicalize its members, and this would make for a really good character study for it. And you don't necessarily have to convince your readers that humans aren't responsible for climate change or that every national government is involved in a big fraud to make people ride bikes--but you do need to present a logical through-line for how Maressa gets convinced there. So far I get the idea that she really struggles to form independent opinions and mostly relies on other people to tell her what to believe in:
Like Maressa's own analysis is hardly a factor in this for her; it's either that Shelly will tell her a thing or Tabitha will tell her a thing, and one of them will be lying. It makes me wonder how much of this is actually a result of her own wants/choices, and how much is because someone else has told her something and she hasn't bothered questioning it.Was that true? How could that be true? She had to get back to Team Aqua—she had to talk to Shelly. That may be the only way to discover the truth. Maybe everything Tabitha had told her was a giant lie. That would certainly fit with his reputation as a Team Magma member.
“If you were still with Team Aqua and heard that another member—whom everyone thought had died—was captured and ready to be handed back over, what would Team Aqua do with that person? Put them back in the same position they had, as if their capture never happened?
Like here, Maressa hears this argument and is like "shit u rite"--but these two things seem directly contradictory. "Aqua would never take you back if they heard that you spent some time with Magma," says the guy who is currently trying to poach an Aqua member to team Magma despite her previous/current time with Aqua. And it's not presented as Magma being more open-minded about where their recruits come from or Aqua being weirdly closeted in their loyalty (people tend to love POW stories and view them as heroes?)--Tabitha just says that Aqua wouldn't take her back, Maressa considers this and assimilates this as fact; Tabitha then later says that Magma would be happy to take her in no questions asked, Maressa considers this and assimilates this as fact.“We wouldn’t waste you. I’ve seen the way you fight. I’ve seen the way you care for your Pokemon. You were doing reasonably well on Team Aqua, I’m sure. And Team Magma will be happy to have you.”
Or! Less extreme example:
And Maressa nods along to this one as well--even though everyone is currently ascending the mountain in a helicopter, demonstrating that it's very possible to get to the top without the cable cars and "prevent anyone from interfering" immediately goes haywire for any group that has air support.“Still new to this, huh? Turning off the cable cars will prevent civilians from getting caught up in our mess with Team Magma—it’ll also prevent anyone from interfering.
I guess the main takeaway for me here was--for someone who's so interested in questioning everything, think about it, find the facts--Maressa doesn't really do any of that, and a lot of her worldview is just formed by whoever is currently talking to her and telling her that her old ways were lie. Soft stances is definitely a thing, especially in young adults, and I can see why for the story it wouldn't be beneficial for her to be a die-hard eco-terrorist right off the bat, but it does leave me with a lot of questions about her agency and choices as a protagonist when I can't actually understand what she's fighting for.
Derek's a fun side character and gives a little bit of sanity to the whole Magma situation. The idea that student loans are just so shitty in this universe that people are joining illegal organizations and committing acts of terror including plugging an entire volcano--I am tickled but also deeply sad lol. Those interest rates must really be something. I like his conversation with Maressa and it does a great job of giving us a friendly face for Maressa to open up to a little, which is much-needed especially with the questions of motive/desires above.
He paused. He did not believe that creating more land would be bad for the planet—all scientific models pointing to that were just theoretic, after all—but he was not interested in arguing with a Team Aqua member about it.
That being said, I'm not sure if I believe his motivations here either--is this another case of just not wanting to look too hard at something that makes you uncomfortable? Is being a medic to enable other people to do the wrong thing still ethical? Or is this just a question of him not wanting to admit it? His pokemon are sweet and breloom is such a good friend though--fun to read this after The Best Boy and see some of those characters swap into places with more prominence.He paused. She stared intently at him, her amber eyes blazing. He couldn’t think of much else to say—of course, he didn’t want to make ends meet by doing something unethical, but after all, he wasn’t doing anything wrong.
Tabitha is a fun character to pick up after TBB as well. Definitely did not get the vibe that he was going to be conspiracy walling up in this, and I'm curious what Maressa will see once she (presumably) washes back ashore on mainland Hoenn, and if Tabitha's actually correct about his theory that this is all a lie for the masses.
misc
Marius
Mickey
Maressa
please enjoy this moment of realization where I finally put together that everyone here should join team magma because their names line up with it lol. (I do get that the Mar- names are a good theme b/c ocean etymology, but I just see M and I make conclusions lol).Mark
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This seems super narrow-minded of her? Does she not think the volcano currently has a unique ecosystem that they're about to wreck here?“Golduck, can you imagine how Mt. Chimney will look once it’s made dormant? Maybe it’ll turn into a crater lake! Those are so beautiful—I’ve never seen one, though, but I heard they’re really neat, unique ecosystems!”
This felt weird in plural--she's only sending out one walrein and one crawdaunt, right?At her command, the rocky area filled with bright blue pinnipeds and dark red crustaceans.
In general I liked the flow of this action sequence but it does feel in this one and in the submarine one that everyone who isn't Maressa/directly interacting with Maressa fades into the background. In the Mt. Chimney fight, Shelly sort of disappears once Maressa engages Tabitha outright, and I'm not sure where she and her team ended off going to--does she just sit around while Tabitha and Maressa give their teams pep talks? I get that Tabitha is sort of just toying with her at this point, but he's such a high-ranking member that I'm shocked that he got left for just Maressa to handle. The submarine fight had a similar feel, where it was hard to keep track of where Maressa's allies were and how the actual flow of battle was going--was she really fighting everyone off by herself? Were there side battles going on outside of her direct range of influence?“Golduck, come here for a moment!”
“Mightyena, regroup.”
Blood rushed in Maressa’s veins—her heart pounded—sweat poured out of every pore in her body—her muscles tensed, ready to jump from the cliff and run into the fight herself. Part of her wanted to—oh, she wanted to!
This is a bit rich coming from me but there are a lot of em dashes. Perhaps too many. I just put these particular sentences in multiquote as a reminder/bc I found them particularly noteowrthy, but the density of em dashes across all of the chapters seemed a bit high.She jumped off the ledge and raced toward her fallen companion—her heart pounded furiously—fear and terror overwhelmed her—her eyes stung with tears—
This is interesting! Didn't realize this connection was there.“He helped design it when he was at the shipyard,” Shelly said offhandedly.
She was in a submarine! The kinds that ocean explorers went on—she was really doing this! The halls and ceilings were narrow and cramped, just like she had always imagined it would be! It smelled of saltwater and rotting fish, just like she had always dreamed! And it was cold and foreboding!
I thought this jump was a bit fast.Hm... Maybe being on a submarine actually kinda sucks.
This might be a marine biology thing, but is there a reason that chinchou can breathe in the air but lanturn can't?She glanced around the room, spying the Chinchou. Taking out a Pokeball, she stared at the fishy form through the translucent cap.
She would love to bring her Lanturn out—but Lanturn wouldn’t be able to breathe air for long
I liked this bit of laconic humor.“You can have this cramped seat or that cramped seat or sit in that particularly cold spot on the floor.”
I had trouble picturing this--is she grabbing directly onto the fin? Would that not mess with Seaking's ability to swim?Her fingers relaxed as she let go of Seaking’s tail and began the descent by herself
"hundreds" kind of threw me for a loop here--that seems like an easy Magma victory as far as winning through sheer force lol. But also, what was stopping them from just diving the submarine?The blood in her veins turned to ice as she saw hundreds of Pokemon soaring in the air above them: Swellow and Golbat formed a cloud, joined by an occasional Xatu, Skarmory and Tropius.
In the previous paragraph he's pinned her against the wall (with her arm twisted behind her back, so her torso is probably on the wall here), so I'm struggling to see how they're looking eye-to-eye.She turned her head. The medic looked at her—there was no malice or smugness. His gaze was still critical. He almost looked reluctant.
This argument didn't particularly hold water for me--obviously if she dies of the bends then they can't interrogate her. Torture interrogation works best when the torturer can meter out how and when the pain is being applied, so honestly it makes perfect sense for them to make sure that she's alive, able to talk, and not at risk of immediately dropping dead before they start torturing her.We wouldn’t bother to take care of you and heal you if we were just going to hurt you later on. We’ve already given you care—this stuff isn’t cheap, you know. Especially if you end up going in the decompression chamber.
Plus like, does Magma frequently dive? What for? Why else would they have a decompression chamber?
Tabitha hypothesized that Golduck wasn't in the sea battle because maybe Golduck doesn't do salt water, so is there a reverse species that only does salt water, and is he concerned about that habitat loss making life unsustainable for them?“People need water, but not necessarily the sea. Our aim wouldn’t be to get rid of streams, lakes, rivers, or anything that provides freshwater to communities. It will make more land so that people and Pokemon have more room to go about with their lives.”
I thought this was really chilling and well-done, especially with how casual Tabitha is.But she didn’t feel him. She saw him tapping her shoulder, but she couldn’t feel any of it. She stared, wide-eyed, horror settling into her tired heart as she watched him tap what might as well have been a puppet that looked like her.
“Can’t feel that, can you?”
such a cutie!Come to think of it, you’re the reason I’m here now…”
Breloom seemed to take it as a compliment. He blushed and waved a hand as if to say, “aw, shucks.”
Does he have Thoughts on this? Like, from his point of view stopping Aqua is a matter of survival at this point, since if left unchecked they'll just kill everyone with the uncontrollable primordial whale. That honestly seems like an easier starting point for convincing Maressa lol.“Control Kyogre and expand the sea,” he said bluntly.
typo! I was not really in a copyediting brain today (in case the massive textwalls didn't tip you off) but I did find the oneHe eyes narrowed. "It affirms exactly what I've been telling you."
this is so cute!Eventually, Derek had to tell him not to give anymore suggestions, as the most reasonable of the Fighting-type’s ideas involved gun powder, vegetable oil, and glitter.
this is such a naive assessment after everything that's gone down lmaoMaressa nodded and the duo descended into silence. Derek glanced at her; the cool, determined air she held a moment ago was gone. Her eyes were downcast and she slouched slightly. He wondered how she was when with her Pokemon. He imagined she wasn’t always this concerned or distressed. Perhaps, when this fight was over, they could still be friends, and he and she and their Pokemon could all get together.
tl;dr
I did have a fun time reading this--apologies if tmi; my fic love language appears to be writing long questioning thoughts about fic worldbuilding and character establishment. I think the reimagining of the Aqua/Magma conflict is pretty fresh and well-executed here, and your cast is well-managed + they get into some really nice, tense scenes together. Morally ambiguous protagonists are also a lot of fun, and especially now it's still interesting to see different ways that you can walk a character down a crazy path and then get them to question the steps that got them there. Definitely some drowning up ahead, if only the metaphorical kind, and a fun read so far.
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