Gabriel blinked. He supposed he should be flattered all these people were convinced he was good at this, but he hadn't met any of them before, right? There was a voice that spoke that was sort of him and sort of not; maybe they knew that voice? This dream was confusing. He rubbed his temples, livening up the slime on his face.
"Well, okay. Let's go through what's happened today so far a bit."
unrepentantAuthor said:
"Forgive me, but— 'Pact Killer'? I have no idea what you mean. Is this some obscure idea you expected to be in the game, or did you, ah, just reveal something mentioned in your note?"
Presumably 'Pact' was a 'third party alignment' alongside Town and Mafia, judging by how the Mismagius phrased it.
"Obviously, Morgan already said she'd just made a wrong assumption based on a previous game she was in, and I believe her on that one. Mainly the fact Matthias jumped on it makes him sound pretty interested in potential third party factions. Worth noting."
Flyg0n said:
"Letting us all start this game during the day does give us a chance to get to know each other," he offered to Morgan. "We can all discuss our options, before the mafia try to kill someone tonight. Although unless the mafia feel like admitting their guilt, I am uncertain how much we can glean this early," he mused.
"Something that's jumping out at me a bit, thinking about it, is Anubis
started out like he was open to all options and only later shifted to taking this hardline stance against voting anybody out on day one?"
"Kimiko and Neo spent most of the start of the day not saying anything very relevant. Which is fair, I guess, not too much to say yet, but."
Chibi Pika said:
Baraz barked out a laugh, holding a paw to his chest and tossing his head, beads jangling. "Of course not. If anyone here has gotten the best role, it's certainly me. It's only fitting."
"Then Baraz comes right out of the gate with this. At first I thought he was just, you know, boasting, but nah, it's a real claim. That feels like a pretty bold thing to do first thing if you're mafia, given it's inevitably going to draw a bunch of attention."
yiran said:
The Floatzel certainly opened his first statement quite boldly. "Hello there," Grovyle said, not sure how to introduce himself. "Seems like you're quite brazen and relaxed. I'd like to understand how you could claim to have the best role here. Is it something out of this world, or perhaps..." Grovyle paused for a moment, "you have knowledge of other roles?"
"And yeah, I don't think this is fishing, just prodding at what was meant by a
really blatant statement. It's not like the Floatzel was trying to be discreet about saying what he did in a way where you might want to stay quiet about having picked it up; it's just sorting out whether the thing with alarm bells on it is a claim or a joke or what. I think that's fair enough."
unrepentantAuthor said:
He sniffed, pressing a knuckle to his mouth. "It seems we will have ourselves one or more substitutes – or even 'modkills' – soon enough. That's a shame. While silent players may seem like a 'safe' vote, I would argue that they're a non-threat and not worth considering for a vote. If we do lose those players, that's to the benefit of the Mafia, I would imagine. Let's hope they make an appearance, or at least that our singular host finds appropriate replacements."
"Yeah, agreed, I don't really think we should be taking aim at the most silent people first in a game like this. If these were just dead slots we'll never get any info about that could happen to anyone, that'd be fair, but if anything the mafia tends to be more active because they're talking to each other so they're less likely to just forget about the game. Not a
sure thing or anything, but not my first inclination to look there."
unrepentantAuthor said:
"There is one argument I might accept in favour of not voting, but I don't really feel good about it. That is, since this is a 'role madness' game, the consequences of choosing wrong might be severe, and the benefits of having all our roles in play might be considerable. On the other hand, they might not. I say we embrace the risk – voting is the only certain way for Town to win, after all!"
Even if there were some bad outcomes from voting out the wrong person on Day 1, there was a chance that they could vote out a member of the Mafia. That chance was a valuable one – losses were less dear to Town than they were to Mafia – they ought to take it.
But who to vote for, from those players not still silent...?
"I suppose... I'll choose Grovyle. It's not that I have a hunch, it just may as well be him as anyone else. My apologies if you are entirely innocent, sir; this is simply the game we are playing."
"My overall hunch is Matthias'd probably do something like this and the chart either way, so yeah, neutral on him for the moment. Baraz's pressure-vote for me also seems normal-slash-neutral."
Morgan's eyes lit up. "Ooh, get 'em, Froggy! We can totally kill Stringbean, that sounds like fun. Let's make 'em squirm a little, at least~"
[[Fishing for info on power roles is (would usually be) probably the closest thing to a strong D1 scumread I could hope for. Vaguely thought about throwing out a jab in that direction my last post along the lines of "you shouldn't want to know where the power roles are yet either" but honestly at that point it was the only thing to have happened so if you wanted to do something it was kinda all that was there to comment on? That makes me less suspicious of it than normal, especially because it is kinda weird gameplay to softclaim "the best role" D1. Enough so that I didn't wanna start a train on them, but hey fuck it I'll hop onto one. I'm not married to this vote but I wanna at least see some reasoning for that gameplay.]]
"And then if we're lucky then Satan will kill all the Mafia players for being part of the half of the party that's quiet and we'll have the fastest win in recorded history~" (Though, Morgan did not seem to be taking that possibility very seriously. If anything, it was more likely she was worried about what would happen if so many people refused to play along with Satan's little game.)
Vote: Grovyle / Yiran @Sinderella
Gabriel paused, squinting at the Mismagius. "The way she's going oh yeah, I totally
would have commented on this, I just didn't, and not wanting to
start a vote train on somebody but being down to join it once somebody else has started it, is pinging me a bit? If anything it might be too obvious? I don't know."
Persephone said:
You are not opposed to seeing the grovyle die. You are not opposed to any of these targets dying.
The minior would be most delicious, but the slugma-hybrid’s sheer impossibility makes the possibility of dissection intriguing. There is already building support for it.
[The hybrid is deeply unnatural and most be eliminated and dissected to identify potential dead man switches. I target Gabriel for destruction.]
Gabriel shuddered, taking a step back from the Metagross. "I'm not a huge fan of
this vote on me because, like, it feels opportunistic?"
And uncomfortable. "Just jumping on once somebody
else has voted, no reason given for agreeing? I mean, no
gameplay reason, anyway."
Shiny Phantump said:
Morgan couldn’t discount the possibility that he was right, she was accustomed to playing off information she didn’t have on the first day. But she enjoyed the chance to play with her food a little. “Okay, maybe, but consider also: I’m having fun~”
[[Morgan’s being mean because Morgan but honestly on my end? My heart of hearts is still in this camp, but people really don’t seem to like it when I do that. Kept getting called scummy and being killed for it, which ofc was accurate at the time but I don’t really get the reasoning any better this time. I mean, I got my start winning a super townie Role Madness setup because they randomly killed the cop D1 as I narrowly avoiding being killed for trying to stop them. I’ve given up on making the D1 abstain hill mine to die on but if other people actually go for it, I won’t try to stop it.]]
"Morgan just seems really concerned about not giving opinions until somebody else has said it and then she totally agrees and always did? I don't really like that."
yiran said:
[[Going to put town Dragonfree as well, with actually higher conviction than Chibi Pika. While she's experienced and possibly can fake mafia pov, not showing up yesterday to manipulate game state as presumably someone with threadpull in this PL (player list). I waited before commenting because although I don't know her too well, I 100% expected this slot to agree on me not fishing for PRs, and was just waiting for her to say it because there's a chance she wouldn't do it as mafia. In an inactive PL 2 RVS (random voting stage) votes matter much more than others; assuming 1 or 2 of the RVS is town, then it's very easy for mafia or another incorrect town to pile on me with nothing going on, and Dragonfree mafia can take advantage of that by simply refraining from commenting on me.
[[For what it's worth I was legitimately just busy yesterday with other plans and obligations and didn't get caught up on the thread until this morning.]]
Shiny Phantump said:
“I guess now that it’s been pointed out to me, I don’t love Metalcrab’s total non-contributions. That totally slipped under my radar but thinking about it is giving me a sense of deja vu. Tangentially, I don’t think I could read Lava Homunculus’ guardian either way. But I like them enough to join that vote.” [[Free seems town to me but when we were scum together in lover hell mafia I thought she sounded super impressively town to me so I don’t know if I trust my ability to vibe check.]]
“I don’t know if I have a right play here? I don’t want to keep aiming at Stringbean even if it’s in my personal survival best interests, I look like I’m nicking someone else’s idea if I chase after the crab, and I look inconsistent if I abstain. Probably, my best move would be to shut up and avoid making things worse for myself. But I’ve never been good at that.”
Gabriel winced. "Right, yeah, she's doing this again, sort of jumping on a bandwagon once I had a vague suspicion?" Or maybe it was the voice that'd had that suspicion? It was all blending together. "But still not placing a vote there, because then she'd be the first to do that? I don't know, I just feel
weird about this play. The main reason I'm hesitating is maybe it's too transparent?"
Panoramic_Vacuum said:
[[I'm always tripped up on why it's suspicious for players to try to figure out the vaguities of what people are saying. Is it better to keep your guesses as to what they mean to yourself, then? But then if you do, it doesn't help other players who are trying to sort out what's being said. Like right now, I'm actually really baffled b/c I swear Morgan's:
"The main thing people might find suspicious is if you legitimately seem to be trying to hunt down who has a power role. But it's perfectly normal to ask if you're confused about what someone's saying. The main case you'd want to be quiet is if, say, you think someone might have let something slip that could indicate they're a power role but ideally you'd
not let the mafia notice that."
Panoramic_Vacuum said:
Trying to catch up here, but I do disagree with Phantump's assessment on Persephone not being helpful. Noci at least has made a claim they don't have a killing role of any kind (even if that's the easiest kind of innocence claim out there.) Does it mean anything in terms of actually proving innocence? No lol but at least it's gameplay oriented.
[[Oh, I just read that one as roleplay. Being instructed to
pretend you can't kill anyone and all.
Was it meant as a claim?]]
Shiny Phantump said:
[[This made me laugh aloud. Anyway: I've died repeatedly when, despite being scum, I was trying to act the same way I would as town. I was worried that'd happen again even if I'm not faking it, and it seems so far that that wasn't entirely unjustified? I don't necessarily think it's too weird for me to be worried about how I'll look given I don't want to die-- It would remove me from the town headcount and waste a day vote.
I realized I didn't have any options that weren't gonna smell weird, so I pointed that out just so that people would, hopefully, keep in mind that none of my pivot options would look normal and hopefully keep that in mind instead of immediately pointing out that, whoops, I put myself in a position where I don't have any options that look clean. And maybe not kill me, hopefully.]]
Gabriel spread his arms. "I mean, that's fair enough, but this is a collaborative game, you know? Your main goal is to sniff out the mafia, not to avoid getting killed personally. Obsessing about whether your actions could be read as suspect by somebody just kind of... reads suspect, because then your priority doesn't seem to be the
town's priority, right?"
He made a small, frustrated noise. "Okay, I'm not feeling great about either Morgan or the creepy Metagross. I guess Morgan's contributing more, but also playing it
safer, but also maybe the fact she's so frank about it is actually an indication it's not her?"
[[I think I will go take a quick look at some older games with them to clarify my meta reads there?]]
Gabriel threw up his hands. "Okay, sure, go do that, whatever that means."