Seventh Anniversary Mafia

[Flyg0n]

[[I'm not sure I at all like Phan going so hard on one claim and then changing to another and pulling back off their first, which they were so confident about.

I also have insinuated my role but probably poorly because its not one I really understand but its important that we not let scum know who the last couple town roles are oh my gosh guys. We need the ambiguity.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I still feel like we're better proving Perse isn't the demon and using the info tomorrow to gamesolve probably because we can still win this pretty easily. I think we should kill chibi tomorrow personally, or prove who between them and Aer and Phan is actually lying but

We could always abstain? There's ways to win still.

But If we're thinking Phan is poisoned or lying that means Perse is innocent right? Doesn't that make if we keep abstaining the way to go?]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

I don't see any universe where she is anything other than drunk, poisoned or scum.

[[I'm considering the latter two, they're the 'either reason'. Poisoned more highly than scum since she seems more like lying town unless Free's wiki playstyle theory is true. If we have a living drunk then that frightens me. It's not open and shut, though.

But I don't want to kill Madeline. And I will never really trust Spectrier. I'd be more apprehensive if I was the tipping vote but as it stands rn if everyone thinks I'm wrong it's not gonna happen, which is reassuring when I'm doubting my judgment.]]

I'm not sure I at all like Phan going so hard on one claim and then changing to another and pulling back off their first, which they were so confident about.

[[Okay but multiple layers of base assumptions have been proven wrong. I think I'd be frankly insane if did stay the course, under the circumstances.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[Oh OH but it does occur to me that by executing Perse it means the empath can get a new read on Phan? Right? So thats helpful, assuming of them lives and Monk protects one?]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

But If we're thinking Phan is poisoned or lying that means Perse is innocent right? Doesn't that make if we keep abstaining the way to go?

[[No and no. It's if I'm NOT poisoned or lying that Perse is innocent. I was counting on my N0 redcheck being accurate and my N1 greencheck being poisoned. If I was never poisoned at all, am not drunk, and am not lying then Perse is innocent and Wind is my false flag. Abstaining is not the way to go here, I think? It wouldn't be the end of the world but we have to play the game. Hitting the demon is a massive swing. The burden of targeting Free will buy us a night, even if you think I'm wrong to target Spectrier— a reasonable position— you should chose your next highest scumread. Probably uA? I feel like shit'd have to be pretty fucking weird for uA and Chibi to both be town. (You'd need Watt poisoned, I think. And that's just to start bc you still need to actually place three evils among everyone else.)]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

It's if I'm NOT poisoned or lying that Perse is innocent

[[phrasing correction: Innocent of being the demon. Still a possible minion.]]

 

[aer]

Today: I thought that Morgan's info was that she got 1 mafia out of the two of Rocky and Madeline, but it was actually got 0 out of them but she was poisoned, which eats up both a fortune teller claim and poison action.

Morgan claims N0 was between Watt and Madeline, with 1 guilty, and N1 was between Madeline and Rocky, with 0 guilty. I feel like it's more likely that Morgan was poisoned N0 than N1 if any. Or... Morgan wasn't poisoned at all. She could be pretending to be poisoned today to make it seem like no one else can be poisoned.

Madeline picks Morgan to Slayer-kill. Morgan can't be Demon if Madeline's telling the truth, but she could still be a minion. Morgan doesn't seem like she's guilty.

And then Morgan gets the monk to claim! Why!! There was no night kill, but there were two potential reasons for that: the monk protects someone, or the mafia targets a survivor.

So looking back, I claimed first thing today, and then Morgan backs me up knowing my information is poisoned. I'm 'not targeted' because I'm poisoned. It's a way to get Madeline killed, but Madeline is becoming less and less useful as a target and Phan shifts to Spectrier.

@Inkedust VOTE: Shiny Phantump / Morgan

 

[aer]

Also frankly I don't trust Spectrier either.

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

Rocky grunted and grumbled to himself, scribbling again on his diagram in the dirt. Now every character had some kind of marking over them, all Gs. He stomped his foot in frustration when he finished.



"Yes yes, need three Evils. Rocky know that this diagram wrong. Too many Good guys. New Good guys today need to start poking holes in other Good guy claims." He stared hard at Drake with his ear holes. "You keep telling everyone else how they wrong. Lots of what if. Don't need to brain galaxy. Start small. Need to start finding lies of others instead of saying no to everything."

 

[Dragonfree]

[[Fuck it, I’m just voting for the person I trust least right now. Need to sleep, won’t be here for EoD.

Fingers crossed.

@Inkedust Vote: Drake]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

And then Morgan gets the monk to claim! Why!! There was no night kill, but there were two potential reasons for that: the monk protects someone, or the mafia targets a survivor.

"Well, I tried not to, and then I was pressed on why I trusted one and was being accused of being scum alongside the other two. There were three unclaimed players left. At least one of them is going to be scum, and I believed the dog could only be innocent if both were. As far as I understood it, I pointed out what the evils already knew. And that turned out not to be the case, the fact that my argument fell apart with no counterclaims should indicate I don't have teammates backing me up."

So looking back, I claimed first thing today, and then Morgan backs me up knowing my information is poisoned. I'm 'not targeted' because I'm poisoned. It's a way to get Madeline killed, but Madeline is becoming less and less useful as a target and Phan shifts to Spectrier.

"How— What, no, we got incriminating results on the same person. Even if it was on two different nights, I firmly believed your results to be accurate until it started to become impossible to resist the fact that they weren't, and that my belief that I was poisoned was equally wrong. Which didn't happen until multiple layers of assumptions fell apart."

 

[aer]

Votes right now:

Madeline - 4 (Hareta/Zdrmonster, Rocky, Chibi Pika, Flyg0n)
Chibi Pika - 2 (Morgan/Shiny Phantump, uA/Jackie)
Morgan/Shiny Phantump - 1 (Elgyem)
Drake - 1 (Dave)

I don't want to kill Madeline. I asked Inkedust and if we tie, there's no kill. Madeline, if you vote for Chibi Pika, I'll change my vote so it ties and you live. (Unless I miscounted.)

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[I had a scariest-case scum team in my head of Phan and Chibi, so unless this is the craziest bus I've seen in a long while, that feels off the table, and a frankly having a scum fake claim list of Fortune Teller AND Undertaker together feels hella mean. Inke I'm gonna put jello in your socks if somehow both of those are fake claims.

Also I definitely feel some kind of way about the immediate Chibi vote train... I don't get strong scum play from them. I genuinely don't recall seeing an early softclaim from scum before, at least not in the way they went about it. It felt a lot more like trying to telegraph to fellow Town than softclaiming for a "get out of jail free" fake claim later.

I'm still waiting to hear from Madeline and would like to hear from Chibi as well. I'm gonna swing my vote over to Drake in the meantime b/c I do agree that's the one I feel least likely to trust right now.

Vote Drake @Inkedust ]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

"Well, I fully understand the risk I'm taking of digging my own grave even deeper by asking for more claims, but I genuinely think we're best off with an open setup by now. The minor Monk ambiguity certain scumteams might've experience was the last bit of redeeming value there and, well..."

Morgan shrugged. Breaking composure was not allowed.

"There are four townroles unclaimed. Do we think Soldier Drake or Librarian is viable as a legitimate unclaimed town role? I doubt it. The sheer risk of a Ravenkeeper or Mayor or even a Soldier will deter them from being targeted, ever. At least with this many exposed power roles. On the other hand, if neither Ravenkeeper or Mayor is in the fakeclaim pool because the last one is Soldier or Librarian, then suddenly an evil Drake would have to risk a fifty-fifty risk of a collision with the drake."

She didn't have it in her to say the pun like it was funny. A crack in the devil-may-care mask now that Morgan found her own ass on the line. Made it harder to feel like she was the persona she put on.

"No, even then, there's still too many fucking variables there. An evil Mal could just choose not to counterclaim, or get the 50/50 right the first try, and if Drake really is innocent then it means Mal doesn't have to face the same dilemma."

[[Tbh I think the 'alternate wincon' feature of a Mayor here is dramatically worsened by the use of an alternate evil wincon in this game. Usually games are guarenteed to go to final 3 unless they're literally all evils, with them being a great way to resolve "oh fuck we probably have a minion and a Demon so we can't just kill evil but also have to pick the right one" endgame gambits. And it's already really frightening to attempt a Mayor win.]]

 

[aer]

Even if it was on two different nights, I firmly believed your results to be accurate until it started to become impossible to resist the fact that they weren't, and that my belief that I was poisoned was equally wrong.

Impossible to resist the fact that my results were wrong? And not that your results can just be entirely made up?

[[OOC: no u]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I had a long post written but I cannot stress enough that with Mayor and Ravenskeeper in the pool with Soldier we dont want to claim. We need to keep scum guessing!! ]]

 

[aer]

There are four townroles unclaimed. Do we think Soldier Drake or Librarian is viable as a legitimate unclaimed town role? I doubt it. The sheer risk of a Ravenkeeper or Mayor or even a Soldier will deter them from being targeted, ever.

Yes, this is exactly why you shouldn't have been pressuring the monk to claim.

 

[HelloYellow17]

[[Not going to use my vote today but if we’re not going to abstain (which, fair enough, at the time I proposed that, not many people were talking and now everyone is talking lol), then I think Drake is the safest vote. I stand corrected on Tetra not pushing for D1 eliminations—I feel like in more recent games she’s at the very least been less resistant/has come around to the idea? But anyways, point still stands that I don’t trust Drake rn for reasons everyone else has outlined. If we vote for anyone, I move that it should be Drake.]]

 

[aer]

[[also it's late and I'll just trust Madeline to not get herself killed and vote now so I can sleep]]

Vote Chibi Pika @Inkedust

 

[Flyg0n]

[[I am half inclined to lean towards joining Aer in voting Phan at this point, the constant reveal pressuring is not a good look. but

@aer tell me this, why don't you just vote for Madeline and then at least grab intel on Phan? (i mean Poison is still a factor tomorrow)]]