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Seventh Anniversary Mafia

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Shiny Phantump

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Morgan muttered a curse under her breath before forcing a smile.

“Oh, whoops~ Damn, here I was hoping Noivern thought my reasoning bore their scrutiny because they knew their action corroborated it.”

A mistake. Now she was blindsided and on the back foot. Did she still trust the Noivern? The dog didn’t, far from it.

“Odette… I can see it. An apolitical kill that gives us little in the way of alignment info, since we already know it.”

She needed something to hold on to. Believing in nothing was too dangerous. And if you were wrong, you picked up the pieces. This wasn’t apocalyptic.

“Dog’s gotta be town. Rabbit’s gotta be town. Squirrel’s gotta be town. Turtle’s gotta be town. Rock not being an outsider is numerically weird. Squirrel’s poisoning is improbable when their outcome is expected and the targeting random.” (Neither of the last two were impossible. That was frightening. But you had to believe something at some point or you just floundered to death.)

That wasn’t much. Did she believe she was poisoned this night? It was much harder to say that now. The results of her night actions still felt contradictory. Was the rodent just her false positive?

Surely, either the Elegym or I was poisoned tonight. It wouldn’t have been sensible for it to have been the monk, the virgin, the butler, or the washerwoman. And if we really think it’s the Elegym who was poisoned…”

Then that was bad.

“I don’t think it’s plausible that our enemies would leave Elegym to register a minion they had sightlines on, not when they had two tools to try to prevent it. If they didn’t use the kill to stop it, they’d use poison to force a zero. Which they didn’t.”

That was something. And it really suggested that the fucking nine volt rodent was just her false positive.

“If we’re mixed on the horse, I should consider the possibility that the cat isn’t Drunk. Earlier, I said it made sense to correctly claim the drunk because they knew who they poisoned and a second drunk later would contradict them. I’m revisiting that assumption now that I’m realizing how hard it would be to actually evidence a new drunk and how powerful it’d be to convince people the Drunk is out when they’re not.”

It even opened up the possibility of a Drunk Elegym being instantly clocked as such when they cleared Rui, if the two were evil together. Giving Elegym readings of 0 and 1 when it should’ve been 1 and 0. The cat just didn’t feel evil, though.

“Surely it’s not Autumn and the horse, right?”

That didn’t narrow the possibility space. If anything, it broadened it. She wanted to try to sink right into to using the new info to narrow down what she believed again.

It's kinda weirding me out that she's been totally quiet since.
[[I’m just thinking and typing. And slightly reeling. I was expecting you to claim but I also expected the uA counterclaim if either of you were scum. Now I feel like you’re both town— I am certain of this for Dave, but it’s just a lean for uA. I was… not prepared for that.]]
 

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Damn, here I was hoping Noivern thought my reasoning bore their scrutiny because they knew their action corroborated it.
"I'm sure a player as intelligent as yourself can deduce what I was hoping might happen."
 

Shiny Phantump

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[[tbc I think Chibi could be scum without Rui, especially if she was poisoned. Not vice versa, though. I'm not comfortable with the theory that they're both evil bc it feels a bit 'crackpot'.

I have got to decide who to vote for.
I don't think I can continue gunning for Madeline in good faith. Even if I think Chibi might be scum it's probably easier to give them another read and proceed from there.]]
 

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"No, Rocky think it important to vote out Mimikyu tonight! Remember, game of numbers! Configuration change. Information change. More information, more chance to catch a lie."
 

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[[Real talk, does it feel awfully stacked for Town to have all three of an Empath, a Fortune Teller, and an Undertaker in play, even with Poisoning? I want to know if I'm getting too paranoid for my own good.]]
This is a good fucking point and my plan to have the Undertaker confirm Madeline tomorrow/to Empath check Morgan feels increasingly suspect.
 

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“I don’t think it’s plausible that our enemies would leave Elegym to register a minion they had sightlines on, not when they had two tools to try to prevent it. If they didn’t use the kill to stop it, they’d use poison to force a zero. Which they didn’t.”
“God fucking damn it. I keep forgetting the fucking seating order. If Madeline was evil it’d be really actively weird for them not to try to do anything about Elgyem, because if Elgyem was Empath she was definitely going to get info about Madeline. They’d have to not have a Poisoner, or Elgyem would have to be on the scumteam, or… Madeline’d have to be the fucking Spy?

Dave’s brain was going to fucking cook itself alive.

[[Oooogh and I need to be getting to sleep I have work in the morning :unquag: ]]
 

Shiny Phantump

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"It would give Elegym line of sight on me. Does that produce any interesting results? With all the options to produce false results in play, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who'd have confidence in the results. I'm not sure how much good that will do us at this point. If we want a read on me, we'd probably be better off trying to get an undertaker read on me directly then trying to reach for Elegym's line of sight."

But she didn't trust the damn horse to read her accurately either.

She needed to believe something. It wasn't Madeline's guilt anymore. She still loosely trusted the Noivern, for turning down a very easy chance to sow confusion, force everyone to stick to their guns, earn her undying trust to the bitter end, and then ideally even get them all to take out the dog the day after.

There were scenarios where she could trust the horse. But they weren't top-ranking guesses, when Autumn could've been poisoned, could've been evil, or could even have just been Drunk with the horse giving them real info to build trust. And she had to believe something.

@Inkedust VOTE: SPECTRIER / CHIBI
 

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[[FYI I asked for a rules clarification from our lovely GM, and was informed that the Demon must use their night kill. They are not able to abstain.

I recall Phan wondering about that earlier in the thread.]]
 

Shiny Phantump

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FYI I asked for a rules clarification from our lovely GM, and was informed that the Demon must use their night kill. They are not able to abstain.

I recall Phan wondering about that earlier in the thread.
[[Thank you. Barring the fucking insane negative utility play of poisoning their own demon N1 just to put Dave over, something that is wildly implausible, we can be certain they shot Odette and failed.]]
 

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[[I don't know that I like that we're turning on Spectrier here, a role that if town is actually very useful. At least Madeline would be a clean loss of nothing but a town slot, at this point.]]
 

Panoramic_Vacuum

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[[I'm sorry I doubted you Dave! Look what Mafia does to a rock. Even after a fist bump and everything 😭

NGL that changes A LOT of what I had cooking, which is probably for the best because no one should ever let me cook during Mafia

The better question is, at this point do we just vote Drake and see if we can shake down a lie from a different player tomorrow? Like Dave, I am less keen to get rid of an information role that only has the chance to be fake. Reading Chibi's posts thus far hasn't really gotten me to buy they are scum other than having a claim that is easier to fake than others. If that was the only criteria just vote me out now (lol that is a joke don't vote me out just saying that other play should be taken into account here for an EoD vote train...]]
 

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[[FYI I asked for a rules clarification from our lovely GM, and was informed that the Demon must use their night kill. They are not able to abstain.

I recall Phan wondering about that earlier in the thread.]]
"Well shit, short of a counterclaim from the rat guy" —Watt jabbed a paw over his shoulder— "that pretty much solidifies Dave's claim, doesn't it? Not many alternative options. Malachai already confirmed he's not a monk or a soldier."
[[If nobody's going to claim Monk/Soldier then we have to believe one of two things is true: either Free is Town, or we have neither Soldier nor Monk and the scumteam passed up an opportunity to kill somebody just to give Free credibility.]]
 

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[[This isn't me just throwing shade at Drake either. Of the three I poked at, he's been the most confused, most smoke-blowy (the fact that about 80% of his theories are about poisoning N0 has me very side-eyeing right now), and has not implied anything about his role, which at this point, with Monk claimed, there's nooooot a lot on that role list that'd warrant being that secretive about until the end.

This could be me knee-jerking towards my previous table-read, buttttt part of my gut says nah, there's merit to this.]]
 

Shiny Phantump

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I don't know that I like that we're turning on Spectrier here, a role that if town is actually very useful. At least Madeline would be a clean loss of nothing but a town slot, at this point.
[[Yeah, completely understandable. I feel like my trust in their results is gonna be pretty low no matter what, especially because we don't really have any disputed claims and even if they're town they'd just be a poisoner magnet the one or two nights when we hit scum. And if they say we hit scum then that's also gonna inspire some mixed feelings in me. But if someone feels differently they're gonna disagree with me and I won't blame or fight them.]]

other than having a claim that is easier to fake than others. If that was the only criteria just vote me out now
[[Nah. I think a one-outsider drunk game is odd enough to give you an edge up on Spectrier.]]
 

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[[hhhh fuck maybe I'm letting my 'what if Rui isn't drunk (for either reason that could be)' fear pull my reigns too much]]
[[Fwiw, I don't see any universe where she is anything other than drunk, poisoned or scum. And I think drunk tracks more with her play. Her claim was that Hareta or I was the scarlet woman. I can't be the scarlet woman because I wouldn't have died to Odette. If I understand order of operations correctly, Hareta cannot be the scarlet woman because the only way he would have known Odette was the virgin was if he was the spy, because that information wouldn't have been disseminated to the scum team. Remember, the scum team doesn't have day chat.]]
 
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