Seventh Anniversary Mafia

[Shiny Phantump]

[[oops I forgot to add any narration pretend Mogan is doing things please and thank you]]

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

"Rocky add today's investigations to Mal's list:"

Elgyem: Empath: there's a contradiction between N1 and N2. We've received at least one piece of bad intel from Elgyem. The simplest explanation is that she was Poisoned on N1, but she could have been Poisoned repeatedly, or be Drunk, or be Evil. If she was Poisoned N1 then Morgan wasn't.

• Both Rui and Hareta registered as Good on N0.
• One of Madeline and Hareta registered as Evil on N1.
• Both Madeline and Hareta registered as Good on N2.
  - One of Madeline and Hareta registered as Evil on N3.

"Elgyem has contradiction of information on N2. This means they were tampered with N2, or they are lying."

Morgan: Fortune Teller: Watt was not the Demon, therefore there's a contradiction between N0 and N1. The simplest explanation is that she was Poisoned on N1, but she could have been Poisoned repeatedly, or be Drunk, or be Evil. If she was Poisoned N1 then Elgyem wasn't.

• N0 one of Madeline and Watt registered as Demon.
• N1 neither Rocky nor Madeline registered as Demon.
• N2 neither Drake nor Spectrier registered as Demon.
  - N3 one of Spectrier and Elgyem registered as Demon.

"In a pair of Spectrier and other players, Morgan has seen Spectrier as both not Demon and as Demon. Contradiction. This is on N2 and N3. Also has seen Madeline as both not Demon and Demon on N0 and N1."

 

[Panoramic_Vacuum]

[[Either they're losing motivation to defend themself (not alignment-indicative) or it's a ploy to seem towny.]]

"Part that confuses Rocky is watching Drake gun for Spectrier so hard. If scum buddies, seems like bad idea. But numbers say we must have eliminated one Bad Guy so far [[please someone confirm this for me, if we have 3 alive scum and 3 alive town, is that automatically game over or would the day play out?]], and if not you, and not Drake, then who, question?"

[[I genuinely don't see a world in which Tetra isn't scumteam, and I now realize the hard tunneling and insistence of uA's townieness was to convince us to vote on the basis of a uA/Tetra scum team. So congrats, you annoyed me into that one. I'm going to be going back to see who Tetra has deliberately avoided talking about, b/c scum wouldn't want to implicate both of their teammates, now would they...]]

 

[aer]

@Zdrmonster
Let's play and/or suffer together!!

 

[Flyg0n]

[[

Anyway we’re not at parity so if you wanna maintain your innocence you gotta decide if you’re scumreading Rui or Malachai.]]

We are though, we've only got Rui so far (or sure, since everyone thinks I'm insane or something, you seem to believe it's me and Jackie. (it's not)

I'm sure YOUd say we aren't, that's sure good for you.

But Jackie is town, and unless a fundamental assumption is wrong + like... What, Perse was poisoned when they tried to slay you?? (that doesn't add up) between you and chibi, chibi is the demon and you're backed into a corner

Or well, I guess I'll be eating a lot of crow and it means my scum chibi is wrong chibi is actually drunk and Mal was the scum? How does that even work lol. Are we living in the world where Mal is the one scum we've hit? I don't think so

Uegh it's great and bad that memorial day is tomorrow because I'll be away for family stuff.

But I will say again we are AT the tipping point, we HAVE to get the demon]]

 

[Flyg0n]

please someone confirm this for me, if we have 3 alive scum and 3 alive town, is that automatically game over or would the day play out?

[[the game would legitimately be over.

We hit a scum, and whether you want to believe who is up to you lol. I maintain it was always Rui, chibi lied. chibi is claiming to be drunk now conveniently, thinks it's Jackie. Jackie may or may not be ravenkeeper. I've been saying Jackie is town because it can't be both jackie/Chibi without wind being poisoned.

At any rate I'm not going to try and say what's what because I guess I'm just insane for saying Jackie was town lol?

You'll have to decide here. None of that is a lie, you can look back.

But one way or another 1 scum died]]

 

[Flyg0n]

[[At any rate I'm out of votes, I used my one trying to kill the demon yesterday, first thing, and I guess that's not good enough lol.

It's up to the rest of the ghosts to play this smart but we cannot afford to mess up again]]

 

[Flyg0n]

please someone confirm this for me, if we have 3 alive scum and 3 alive town, is that automatically game over or would the day play out?

[[To elaborate better, it's game over because the best town can do is tie the game and then no one is eliminated.

The night begins, scum kills someone, now they control the vote.

There'd be genuinely no point to play out a day as far as I can tell.]]

 

[Flyg0n]

If by information that we know it was the rat... but... contradictory results...

[[ez, chibi lied the whole time and was never poisoned or drunk. At least someone sees the light

Also goosshhhh I keep trying to step away to do stuff and getting dragged back lol

Fixatinf is the worst lol. Anyways at this point I've feel like I've made it clear and my stance? I need a little break. I'll eat my socks if Chibi is really drunk and this is like... Phan *jackie* yellow or like Madeline Aer or what?? What? Chef was poisoned and it's Perse and Phan?? and I spent the whole day calling scum Jackie lock town.

I refuse to. I can't go into the darkness lol, chibi lied about me on purpose to control the narrative and gave expected Intel (just like today but different) by calling Rui what everyone genuinely expected. Gg

Also I'm out now for good for a bit, I need a break lol this logic Makin my sanity slip by the second]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

We are though, we've only got Rui so far (or sure, since everyone thinks I'm insane or something, you seem to believe it's me and Jackie. (it's not)

I'm sure YOUd say we aren't, that's sure good for you.

Morgan narrowed her eyes at the rat. "What the fuck are you talking about? No, we're not at parity, the game would be over, and yes I'll say it because it's true, and yes it's good for me because I'm town. Likewise, I believe in the Noivern's innocence. However, while I thought they were more likely than the horse to be good, I understood that they were both likely to go, that my read was very soft and unreliable, and that having him alive at Eliminate or Lose would be problematic since he was barely holding on. So I resolved to tiebreak against him instead of abstaining. Now that the game hasn't ended following their elimination, I am more confident in his innocence."

[[I think I have to just stop talking/listening to Flyg0n. It's sucking air out of the room, using my finite endurance for this game, and flagrantly unproductive.]]

"I'm firm on the Horse's guilt, but if they've got a Scarlet Woman in their back pocket or the Horse is just a minion and the game continues, I'm not sure where to go from there. My nights where I trust my reads line up reasonably well with the nights where Elegym's reads seem like junk and vice versa, whereas if I call that every other inforole in the game is evil then I ought to have been a functional drunk from the moment I claimed. But if I want to accuse Maddie, I have to return to my leaps in logic from Day 2. I don't love that, didn't go great for me last time, but maybe they're plausible enough that I have to dust them off."

[[Like, if we assume for experimentation's sake that Madeline is a Demon (if she's a minion then the game should end with Chibi's death— I don't think Drake the Poisoner being dead and SW/Imp being alive is compatible with Elegym and my reads both coming from town.)]]

Morgan (Fortune Teller)	Watt or Madeline is Demon	Madeline is Nondemon	Drake/Horse Nondemons	Elegym or Horse is Demon
	Would be true	Would be false (Poisoned)	Would be true	Would be false (Poisoned)
Elegym (Empath)	Rui and Hareta are town	Madeline is Evil	Madeline is Good	Madeline is Evil
	Would be true, irrelevant	Would be true (Did they not understand Empath rules?)	Would be false (Poisoned)	Would be true

[[The pattern is at least highly plausible. I... I may have to say this is more plausible than aer calling their own reads into question by flip-flopping on Madeline unless someone else can come up with a plausible motive for that? Fuck me I don't like saying that I was trusting Perse for a bit there.]]

Spoiler: Unrelated Mechanically-Irrelevant Quibbling

To elaborate better, it's game over because the best town can do is tie the game and then no one is eliminated.

The night begins, scum kills someone, now they control the vote.

There'd be genuinely no point to play out a day as far as I can tell.

In Clocktower this can usually be remedied if town still controls the vote with ghostvotes, since they can then still win the vote and the game. But we're not playing that way, the game can end while Town still controls the vote here. Renders ghostvotes less useful but we still will probably need some to cancel out Hareta/ZRD being functionally afk.

 

[Flyg0n]

[[....

What the fuck are you talking about? No, we're not at parity,

... I'm genuinely so sorry, I interpreted parity as "we have to eliminate the demon today" and you saying "we have another day if we mislynch"

I do not think we have an equal amount of scum and town alive oh gosh I'm sorry.

I don't even know what I'm reading anymore I need to step away]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[It's alright, I'm not upset with you. More than anything I maintain I was not scumreading Malachai.]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

Madeline: Slayer: Morgan is not the Demon. It's possible to fake this role. It's implausible that these two are on a scumteam together.

[[Wait, but you can fake this role? Obviously if one is lying then the demon won’t die anyway, but I’m pretty sure you can just. Lie about the role and if nothing happens, pretend it’s because you didn’t pick the demon. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here.

The more Tetra insists Chibi is scum, the less I think Chibi is scum. Unless that’s exactly the desired effect (LOL), but that plus Chibi’s self vote feels insanely risky to pull as a scumteam? But it could be a last desperate Hail Mary (eheh) for a scumteam with nothing left to lose?? Ugh I need to stop spiraling about that or I’ll lose what’s left of my sanity lol

Tetra has strangely left both Aer and Persephone largely alone, which doesn’t help. But she left Jackie alone too and now I have no idea if they’re scum or not, but it seems less and less likely ugh.

All that said, though…I don’t think we should ignore the fact that, regardless of poisoning or drunk, Madeline has been pinged as scum at least three times from two different people. I feel like the odds of that happening even with interference is insanely slim. Sooo I think @Persephone
has some explaining to do.

Also hi hello I’m still not going to be around too much today but I wanted to toss in my thoughts for what they’re worth (which isn’t much tbh but. Heyo.)]]

 

[HelloYellow17]

I’ve wanted them gone for days and I’m tired of beating a dead horse.

[[I see what you did there ]]

 

[aer]

[[Like, if we assume for experimentation's sake that Madeline is a Demon (if she's a minion then the game should end with Chibi's death— I don't think Drake the Poisoner being dead and SW/Imp being alive is compatible with Elegym and my reads both coming from town.)]]

"I don't know, it might be a good point. If all our information matches up, maybe that means none of us were evil after all. It feels like to me for game balance reasons three information roles would be too strong for town, but if there's a poisoner alive we're still having all the trouble still. I think it comes back to whether the Demons would have known to poison me from my softclaim on D1 which... I'm not actually sure about. It was not acknowledged by a few people but was by others, but of course at this point the evils will be bluffing if they didn't know and that's why they didn't poison me.

 

[HelloYellow17]

I think it comes back to whether the Demons would have known to poison me from my softclaim on D1 which... I'm not actually sure about. It was not acknowledged by a few people but was by others, but of course at this point the evils will be bluffing if they didn't know and that's why they didn't poison me.

[[Definitely not a stretch of the imagination, imo! I missed your soft claim but that’s because I’m bad at this game and I constantly miss soft claims, lol. But an experienced scum player could easily have caught it and decided you were a threat.

The fact that you haven’t been taken out is because, if you are town, the poisoning your reads would actually be more beneficial to scum than just outright killing you because it causes mass confusion. And, well, it’s sure working lol. They could get something out of keeping you alive vs Dave and Odette.

Between you, Phan, Chibi, and Persephone, I think I’m leaning towards finding Persephone the most suspicious. But I don’t really know what to think anymore LOL. Hecc me]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

Wait, but you can fake this role? Obviously if one is lying then the demon won’t die anyway, but I’m pretty sure you can just. Lie about the role and if nothing happens, pretend it’s because you didn’t pick the demon. Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying here.

[[You can fake it, and nothing will happen. The main caveat there is that nobody's considering a Perselyn mafia bc we're neighbours and were fighting for a while there.]]

 

[Shiny Phantump]

[[This is not relevant to this game but the hypothetical where I ended up the killing role, with Perse on my team being scumread to filth and surviving by way of us having higher priorities, while we struggle to kill before the third night is hilarious bc it's just reverse-engineering the events of Fall Mafia from first principles.]]

 

[windskull]

[[I'm going to come back to try and detangle my thoughts on all the info thus far but for right now I do want to at least put some thoughts out regarding the remaining living players that aren't more or less townlocked.

Namely, if UA wasn't the demon, which they obviously werent, and Chibi doesn't end up being the demon, then we have to look to Persephone/Phant/Aer.

Of those three, IF Persephone is innocent, then Phant CANNOT be the demon based on the failed slayer role. Unless they're both mafia and playing hard bussing, but I don't think that's likely based on my own information.

If we still have two Mafia remaining, and I'm inclined to believe we do, the only logical pairs before taking play into consideration are the following.

-Chibi/Phant(Phant is not the demon)
-Chibi/Aer
-Chibi/Persephone
-Aer/Persephone
-Aer/Phant(Phant is not the demon)

Based on that, the only one of the four I would not be currently willing to vote for is Phant. Not because I think it's impossible Phant is scum, but because if she is, she is a lower priority target. That said. I do nooooot want to guess wrong lmao. Again. Going to take a closer look at the info we've had thus far and try and untangle the likelyhood of poison/drunk/lies]]