Haha. Is that really how he sees Tefiren?[[I have a bad habit of ambiguous references in my clauses, so that might be at play here. No, to be clear, it was a reference to the Mafia's possible frustrations, not Tef's fears. I don't think Tef understands fear, so that irritates Alexander greatly.]]
Altair tilted his head at the strange grovyle. Someone good at this game. There had been discussions of returning players, was that what he meant by a "good player"? One that he was familiar and impressed with? Well, that narrowed things down to the "messy haired human"—Dave, was it? but he'd already said that he hadn't been targeted. Lexx then? Considering how impressed the grovyle had been with his comments and observations? Hmm. Altair thought back to the grovyle's comments on games past and chuckled. Such a braggart would make for a desirable first target. Not only would the mafia be motivated by fear, but it'd also send the message that the mafia would not be playing around this time.
"It was you, then?" It made sense the more Altair thought about it. How else would he have known the target without seeing the culprit? He must've hidden or protected himself in some way, Altair reasoned.
"Tefiren seems quite certain he knows who the mafia targeted. Though not who that mafia member is. There are a couple of possibilities I have in mind for how he could know. But they are little more than guesses, and I fear pressing that issue may force the original target to spill too much and put them into more danger tonight."
[[Elyvorg, I guess there's no reason she couldn't be lying, but I feel like her particular claim has too much of a counterclaim if there's an innocent Bulletproof? She's not DawningWind level, but I trust her more after the roleclaim.]]
(the above post happened after Tefiren had actively asked everyone to guess. Then, after some more insistence from Tefiren, and Dave guessing correctly, they finally volunteered this: )"Feel free to not disclose your power," the Hydreigon said. "Whichever option will make them squirm more. I want to feel their pain for a little longer..."
[[Which, as it turned out, she did not. Good. I don't think that information is necessary to get out just yet and from past history I think you have a good head for information control. I'll trust you on that one for now, but without any actual kills or solid info roles or reads I'm not confident in anybody's roles.]]
"Hmph." Alexander wasn't very amused by this approach of the odd, winged Grovyle. "I don't make guesses. I don't make moves unless I am certain they will be correct. As such, I'm not going to entertain your game of guess-the-power."
[[I personally think it might also be bulletproof? But be careful. Hope you have another trick to keep alive.]]
Lexx smirked. "Let's be real, I'm assuming it's not that they targeted you. That'd be way too obvious and practically wave a flag saying, 'Come and get me now.'"
The fact that he was so confident that even if someone guessed right, nothing bad would come of it. Now that was interesting. Something unblockable...?
"Fuck it, I'll bite, if only to get a denial outta ya. You can see what was tried on someone in the night, but not who was tryin' it."
Dave blinked. What? He was just... what? Bulletproof hadn't been everyone's first fucking thought here? "Well, I figured it couldn't actually be you being bulletproof because if it was then announcing it to everyone when the mafia probably has ways to nullify it would be fucking suicide." He gritted his teeth. "Your secret reason you're not dying tonight had better be good."
at least when it comes to individuals who are extremely good at lying to themselves about their feelings.
the above post happened after Tefiren had actively asked everyone to guess
suggesting he didn't think it was bulletproof earlier on, but then he also seemed to think I was in danger even after he had guessed bulletproof, so, *shrug*. Not really sure what to think.
My read: neutral
(I wouldn't mind some elaboration from Namo on why they thought I'd be in danger if I claimed bulletproof, though.)
[[Riiiight let me explain that. Iirc I was distracted or sick and had half-made a post in response to Tef way back when that was the most recent post, forgot for a while, and then decided to keep it anyway. Hence my disclaimer about the post being old and in response to old things. The reason I/Alexander warned against it is due to the risk of revealing what I thought at the time was an info role so early, when you only really had one use of it done.]]
[[So, you mentioned in your post that you could be seen as a good player for dayposting. I'll also admit to my bias that big posts can sometimes mean better players for mafia due to information given out... usually. If it's all nonsense then that's a different issue, but that's neither here nor there. Basically by the time bulletproof was confirmed or the main guess, my major concern was whether the Mafia would then try to "double tap" you like a zombie. That didn't seem to be the case, since we've got two kills and neither are you, but that was my worry.
Now this would obviously then lead to "Well who would they target instead?" but I was sick and not thinking that far ahead. Because now that I think about it further, I guess the Mafia now needs to weigh the info roles and other "dangerous claims" against a "confirmed innocent vanilla," assuming there's no other bulletproof role that hasn't claimed. Bulletproof is typically not a duplicated role, right? I don't know what other evidence there is in favor of Tef being innocent other than strong circumstance... but in terms of tier lists Tef is strongly town in my soul reads.]]
Arsonist person who got her instead. If the Arsonist is playing for themselves and not the Mafia like they probably are, sometimes two people might get caught in the same night.
[[Some not-very-helpful speculation on the fact that someone wanted me dead on night 0!
Presumably the mafia targeted me on N0 because I'm a decent town player in a way that's not necessarily about role powers and more about dayposting, so I'm an ideal threat for them to take out before they even have any inkling what anyone's roles are.
Still, the only game on here (or anywhere) that I've played to make anyone see me as a decent town player is last year's. So whoever's idea it was to target me is almost certainly somebody who was either in last year's game themselves, or has read it. That, uh, admittedly doesn't narrow things down very much at all, especially as we don't know exactly who has and hasn't read last year's thread, and also because only one mafia member needs to be such a person for me to have been targeted. But, you know. It's something. It's at least making me less fond of getting caught up in the notion that all of the people who were prominently posting in the thread yesterday - which was by and large last game's participants, plus a few others, some of whom have indicated they've read the last game - are definitely innocent. I feel like there's likely to be at least one mafioso hiding somewhere among that group.
[[I'm not 100% sure here. We might require a gameplay confirmation. But according to the wiki, arsonist kills actually have specific flavor to indicate that it was an arsonist kill. I hadn't considered that until just now, but...]]
It seems so. After an hour or so of searching, the only sign of either person is a patch of disturbed ground, the blank, plasticky surface torn and tossed in frozen ripples, ripped apart, maybe, in some kind of scuffle? But what kind, it's impossible to tell, and further investigation turns up nothing while the rucked ground slowly sinks back to its flat, neutral state, even this one clue disappearing while the group watches.
Sounds like the result of a psychic mark to me. I don't see anywhere indicating which of the two were targeted by it, though. ]]
"But that's pretty obvious. If you want my honest opinion? Anyone with a swap is underrated as heck in these games. There could be up to two of them, and they've been the cause of pretty much all the unexpected results in every game. They've even used their power to kill."
Rascal sprang in front of the one she'd chosen to defend, taking delight in the thrill.
"Do you think that the tyrunt might've been swapped out for the actual victim?"
"Swapped, maybe, or had another role that allowed her to protect someone physically? Not like a doctor, but where she could take the fall herself?"